Sir Doug Ellis donates £1 million

[Damo70]

I wasn't aware anyone doubted that there was a degree of spite involved when Doug returned.

[saunders_heroes]

First of all you can answer how my opinion of Randy Lerner is connected to a thread about Doug Ellis. Second, you can tell me that you've read and heard everything I've had to say on the subject. Did you, for example, watch Central News on Friday night? This forum is not the entire world. Third, I can only paraphrase the words of lamdrew08 to add to my own - Randy may have failed to bring about a modicum of success which may or may not have been sustainable given the changes in football over the past eight years but Ellis singlehandedly destroyed the greatest opportunity this club has ever had purely for his own vanity and then failed to capitalise on numerous others because of his lack of vision. I do not believe that Randy Lerner has deliberately sabotaged the club. I do believe that Doug Ellis did.

Even in the above post you give Lerner such an easy ride then you let rip into Ellis!

Deliberate sabotage? Come on!

Given that I was explaining the reason why I wouldn't criticise Randy as much as Ellis it's hardly surprising is it?

Yes, deliberate for the reasons explained above. 

You make it sound like it was hell under Ellis without even a chink of light (a bit like these last 5 seasons).

[LTA]

Both men have made mistakes, but at least Ellis would front up and face the music, as opposed to fleeing back to America and hiding like Lerner has.

Its a shame that proud history, bright future scarf he gave us cant be used as a contract, as I'd sue him for breach of contract.

[saunders_heroes]

Both men have made mistakes, but at least Ellis would front up and face the music, as opposed to fleeing back to America and hiding like Lerner has.

Its a shame that proud history, bright future scarf he gave us cant be used as a contract, as I'd sue him for breach of contract.

Exactly. Ellis for all his faults faces the music and never hid like Lerner does and continues to do.

[PeterWithesShin]

Doug had no choice. I doubt he would have faced the music if it wasn't for the shareholder meetings.

[dave.woodhall]

The other thing to remember is that it was Doug's job. He was paid to do it. And if you want a philanthropist owner you'd better get used to not seeing him very much because the chances of having one who lives locally and hasn't any other business interests are extremely remote. 

[VillaAlways]

Comparing Lerner to Ellis ...well you just can't the latter gives a fuck the former ..well, just doesn't .

[Richard E]

Comparing Lerner to Ellis ...well you just can't the latter gives a fuck the former ..well, just doesn't .

The main thing Herbert gives a f**k about is himself.

[VillaAlways]

Comparing Lerner to Ellis ...well you just can't the latter gives a fuck the former ..well, just doesn't .

The main thing Herbert gives a f**k about is himself.

And Lerner?

[saunders_heroes]

The other thing to remember is that it was Doug's job. He was paid to do it. And if you want a philanthropist owner you'd better get used to not seeing him very much because the chances of having one who lives locally and hasn't any other business interests are extremely remote. 

Well we'd never know what kind of an owner Ellis would have been if he had the money Lerner has.
Ellis did a better job than Lerner in my opinion, and he didn't have a billion quid in the bank and had a third share in a trust fund worth another 3.5 billion like Lerner has.

[dave.woodhall]

The other thing to remember is that it was Doug's job. He was paid to do it. And if you want a philanthropist owner you'd better get used to not seeing him very much because the chances of having one who lives locally and hasn't any other business interests are extremely remote. 

Well we'd never know what kind of an owner Ellis would have been if he had the money Lerner has.
Ellis did a better job than Lerner in my opinion, and he didn't have a billion quid in the bank and had a third share in a trust fund worth another 3.5 billion like Lerner has.

So what if he's the richest man in the world? It's his money to do with as he pleases. Lerner didn't inherit what Ellis did, didn't ruin it and didn't squander the chances Ellis did. And he certainly didn't take as much out as Ellis did. Incidentally, did you buy any of those "good value in the short, medium and long term" shares that were floated at £11 and dropped to 105p?

[saunders_heroes]

The other thing to remember is that it was Doug's job. He was paid to do it. And if you want a philanthropist owner you'd better get used to not seeing him very much because the chances of having one who lives locally and hasn't any other business interests are extremely remote. 

Well we'd never know what kind of an owner Ellis would have been if he had the money Lerner has.
Ellis did a better job than Lerner in my opinion, and he didn't have a billion quid in the bank and had a third share in a trust fund worth another 3.5 billion like Lerner has.

So what if he's the richest man in the world? It's his money to do with as he pleases. Lerner didn't inherit what Ellis did, didn't ruin it and didn't squander the chances Ellis did. And he certainly didn't take as much out as Ellis did. Incidentally, did you buy any of those "good value in the short, medium and long term" shares that were floated at £11 and dropped to 105p?

Lerner's a billionaire and Ellis isn't. The billionaire has reduced us to a laughing stock and you don't seem to have a problem with it.

[dave.woodhall]

The other thing to remember is that it was Doug's job. He was paid to do it. And if you want a philanthropist owner you'd better get used to not seeing him very much because the chances of having one who lives locally and hasn't any other business interests are extremely remote. 

Well we'd never know what kind of an owner Ellis would have been if he had the money Lerner has.
Ellis did a better job than Lerner in my opinion, and he didn't have a billion quid in the bank and had a third share in a trust fund worth another 3.5 billion like Lerner has.

So what if he's the richest man in the world? It's his money to do with as he pleases. Lerner didn't inherit what Ellis did, didn't ruin it and didn't squander the chances Ellis did. And he certainly didn't take as much out as Ellis did. Incidentally, did you buy any of those "good value in the short, medium and long term" shares that were floated at £11 and dropped to 105p?

Lerner's a billionaire and Ellis isn't. The billionaire has reduced us to a laughing stock and you don't seem to have a problem with it.

Which isn't true, but don't let things like facts get in the way. Not, as I've said above, that it's got anything to do with this thread. And neither has Randy Lerner's wealth.

[saunders_heroes]

Randy's obscene wealth could have bought us out of trouble over these last 5 years but he's done nothing. Imagine the grief you'd have given Ellis if he had done the same.

[dave.woodhall]

Randy's obscene wealth could have bought us out of trouble over these last 5 years but he's done nothing. Imagine the grief you'd have given Ellis if he had done the same.

What the fuck is your continued obsession with me and what I think all about?