Sir Doug Ellis donates £1 million

[saunders_heroes]

When did Ellis ever get us back to the times he inherited?

I never said he did so god knows why you're asking. What I do know though is that the bad times under Ellis never lasted as long as this shitty little era we now find ourselves under Lerner.
5 relegation battles on the trot. What an absolute disgrace.

Yeah, it is, but so was what happened after 1982.

And we find ourselves here through haplessness, whereas we found ourselves there through spite.

Again that's just your opinion. I for one think what Lerner has done to us over the last 5 years is disgraceful and down to pure spite.
This from the so called Villa "custodian".
Don't make me fuckin laugh, Randy.

It's not just Lee's opinion. Ask Dennis Mortimer and Allan Evans for a start.

I'm not interested in who those two may or may not have fallen out with (though from what I can gather Mortimer falls out with practically everyone), I'm interested in Villa in the here and now, and sadly we have a chairman who couldn't give a flying shite about Aston Villa. 5 years of decline is entirely his fault.
It isn't a crime to suggest I'd take Ellis over this charlatan any day of the week.

[dave.woodhall]

You just said that it was only Lee's opinion. Then when I said that two genuine Saunders' Heroes (not to mention the man himself) say the same thing you're not interested. Make your mind up.

[saunders_heroes]

You just said that it was only Lee's opinion. Then when I said that two genuine Saunders' Heroes (not to mention the man himself) say the same thing you're not interested. Make your mind up.

And it's only their opinion, and I also pointed out that Mortimer seems to fall out with a lot of people. How many of the '81-'82 squad is he actuallyspeaking to these days?

By the way, it's not a crime to look back on Ellis' days at the club without the hatred that many on here have for them. We had some bloody good seasons under him, and like it or not, Dave, we NEVER spent 5 consecutive seasons battling relegations, nor did our shit eras last this long either.
Far from me to suggest it was brilliant, but it was never this bad as it is under Lerner.

[dave.woodhall]

It's "only" Dennis Mortimer's opinion. It's "only" Ron Saunders' opinion. Do you think their opinion might just carry more weight than yours?

[saunders_heroes]

It's "only" Dennis Mortimer's opinion. It's "only" Ron Saunders' opinion. Do you think their opinion might just carry more weight than yours?

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Dave. Even us mere mortals.

[Damo70]

You just said that it was only Lee's opinion. Then when I said that two genuine Saunders' Heroes (not to mention the man himself) say the same thing you're not interested. Make your mind up.

And it's only their opinion, and I also pointed out that Mortimer seems to fall out with a lot of people. How many of the '81-'82 squad is he actuallyspeaking to these days?

By the way, it's not a crime to look back on Ellis' days at the club without the hatred that many on here have for them. We had some bloody good seasons under him, and like it or not, Dave, we NEVER spent 5 consecutive seasons battling relegations, nor did our shit eras last this long either.
Far from me to suggest it was brilliant, but it was never this bad as it is under Lerner.

Never this bad? I must have imagined relegation in '87 and another three relegation battles in '86, '89 and '91. So a same five year period as you refer to.

[saunders_heroes]

You just said that it was only Lee's opinion. Then when I said that two genuine Saunders' Heroes (not to mention the man himself) say the same thing you're not interested. Make your mind up.

And it's only their opinion, and I also pointed out that Mortimer seems to fall out with a lot of people. How many of the '81-'82 squad is he actuallyspeaking to these days?

By the way, it's not a crime to look back on Ellis' days at the club without the hatred that many on here have for them. We had some bloody good seasons under him, and like it or not, Dave, we NEVER spent 5 consecutive seasons battling relegations, nor did our shit eras last this long either.
Far from me to suggest it was brilliant, but it was never this bad as it is under Lerner.

Never this bad? I must have imagined relegation in '87 and another three relegation battles in '86, '89 and '91. So a same five year period as you refer to.

5 consecutive relegation battles?

[Damo70]

No. We discovered the best way to avoid that is relegation.

[saunders_heroes]

No. We discovered the best way to avoid that is relegation.

It's been a long long time since we were as shit as we are right now (and have been for 5 seasons) yet Lerner gets away with it. Why?

[LeeB]

No. We discovered the best way to avoid that is relegation.

It's been a long long time since we were as shit as we are right now (and have been for 5 seasons) yet Lerner gets away with it. Why?

Because he owns the club and there' suck all we can do about it, which is much the same as it was under Ellis.

[Ian.]

I was so happy the day Ellis sold us. Thinking back to his years running the club as glorious, stable and successful times is a bit like the Carlos Cuéllar effect.

[saunders_heroes]

I was so happy the day Ellis sold us. Thinking back to his years running the club as glorious, stable and successful times is a bit like the Carlos Cuéllar effect.

No one is saying it was a glorious and successful, but stable? Yes it was. He gave us the longest unbroken run the top division for decades. That can't be denied.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I curse the day he sold us to Randy fuckin Lerner that's for sure.

[Damo70]

It is possible to be critical of Doug AND Randy. Ironically Doug's pride both caused and solved problems over the years. His much criticised (and rightly so) ego meant he didn't take kindly to failure and took steps to avoid it or recover from it as quickly as possible.

[dave.woodhall]

I was so happy the day Ellis sold us. Thinking back to his years running the club as glorious, stable and successful times is a bit like the Carlos Cuéllar effect.

No one is saying it was a glorious and successful, but stable? Yes it was. He gave us the longest unbroken run the top division for decades. That can't be denied.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I curse the day he sold us to Randy fuckin Lerner that's for sure.

Because on that day we were doing so fuckin well.

[saunders_heroes]

No. We discovered the best way to avoid that is relegation.

It's been a long long time since we were as shit as we are right now (and have been for 5 seasons) yet Lerner gets away with it. Why?

Yes, the last time was 2006.

Again I have to remind you that we've been in a relegation battle for 5 consecutive seasons under Randy Lerner.