Aston Villa vs Sunderland Post-Match Thread

[silhillvilla]

Just back from a cold and quiet villa park , £140 richer having backed the most predictable , dour 0-0 ever , but I'm far from happy.
This new brand of possession football is total bollocks. Knocking it about across the back line going nowhere and Guzan passing goal kicks backwards is NOT progress.
As for cleverly , absolute dross as is Weimann and CNZ .
The only bright spot today was Grealish who actually moves with the ball in a forward direction.
Benteke was piss awful today . Not that he had much to feed off.

[Chipsticks]

Do people on here think we should be challenging for Europe under the current ownership? Get a grip. We're avoiding relegation.

I think we should be challenging for 7th/8th place, which I'd count as Europe.

1. Man City
2. Chelsea
3. Man United
4. Arsenal
5. Liverpool
6. Tottenham

We're not on a level playing field with any of these. So you think we're trying to finish above the likes of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Newcastle no problem considering our financial situation?

I never said we would 'finish above them no problem', that's not what challenging means. But I think the current squad has potential to if they can get playing right, I think it's very pessimistic (no, not realistic) to say that we shouldn't be near those clubs.

[silhillvilla]

Oh and it's not 11 goals in 19 games , it's worse.
It's 11 in the last 22 competitive games - add in leyton orient and spurs and man city games 37 and 38 from last term.
Lambert really should be sacked.

[CT]

Talked to a Sunderland lad afterwards who was really annoyed about how negative THEY were!

Thought Weimann and NZog were awful, as was Cleverley. Benteke barely moved at times so it was fairly obvious that we wouldn't score yet again.

I was so hoping we'd play really well without Gabby, now he'll be straight back in against Palace.

On the plus, Sanchez was excellent as was Jack when he came on. How lovely it was to see a Villa player actually try and commit a defender and make something fucking exciting happen.

[Fin Feds Dad]

Another mind numbingly shite afternoon in B6.

I don't buy this 'new style' bull that Lambert keeps coming out with. We had a perfectly good 'style' of play at the end of 2012/13 season - whats happended to that ?

The new goal kick routine is laughable - as the ball is played to either full back , usually under pressure , then return the ball to Guzan - whose kicking is bozzyesque at best.

There seems to be huge spaces between all our players - very little support play - which makes almost all of our rare forward passes very easy to defend against. 

Another stupid red card - which came about because he didn't complete a routine pass down the line seconds earlier.

The possession / passed completed stats may be improving - but the end product isn't.

Best league in the world ? My arse.

[Goldie.7]

Just back from a cold and quiet villa park , £140 richer having backed the most predictable , dour 0-0 ever , but I'm far from happy.
This new brand of possession football is total bollocks. Knocking it about across the back line going nowhere and Guzan passing goal kicks backwards is NOT progress.
As for cleverly , absolute dross as is Weimann and CNZ .
The only bright spot today was Grealish who actually moves with the ball in a forward direction.
Benteke was piss awful today . Not that he had much to feed off.

Enjoy it, you were definitely adamant on a 0-0 I'll give you that!

[Steve kirk]

Villa didn't ruin my day with an utterly pathetic defeat.

That's all I ask for these days.

Percy that sums up so well how I felt when the final whistle blew.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

Completely fed up. Weimann is just a shit Brett Holman.

[silhillvilla]

In his defence , Weimann is a striker who has been played out of position for 2years by the clueless one.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I was so hoping we'd play really well without Gabby, now he'll be straight back in against Palace.

Watching the match I kept thinking how much we missed Gabby to run at their defence, using his speed to go past their aging centre backs and stop them doubling up on Benteke. Then I reminded myself that Lambert prefers to play him deep, back to goal, trying to link up play.

You can take a horse to water..

[Villafirst]

Lambert and Lerner totally useless. No sign of club being sold. Lerner can't even get that right! Fucking idiot 'rewarded' Lambert with a 4 year contract. The people running this great club are a disgrace.

[brian green]

Just home through the horrors of the M6 and the A14.   My diamond of a son still has two hours on the road before he gets to see his wife and baby.

To me the path we are following to make some sort of a proper Aston Villa team is like when you have a combination lock but you don't know the number to open it.   So you start with 0000, no that's not it, then 0001, no that's not it, then 0002 and so forth until you hope to open the lock by process of elimination.

We know young and hungry does not work, so we go old and past it and that does not work.   We know hoofball does not work so we try goalkeeper kicking the ball backwards and that does not work.  We try to be a poor man's Chelsea and play down the middle and that does not work so we put on Dead End Charlie and that does not work.

Why can we see blindingly obvious moves like bringing in Jores Okore or starting Jack Grealish or Callum Robinson and our manager can't?

Because he is both stupid and stubborn and wants to stick to unlocking the lock by finding the combination by process of elimination instead of using his eyes and his brain.  Once on the pitch Jack Grealish immediately put us in with a real shout at winning the game by taking on players and forcing them onto the back foot.

Sanchez is finally blossoming into one hell of a player.   Delph on the other hand is a stupid prat.

[Percy McCarthy]

By the way Delph's red card and regular yellow cards will keep him at Villa Park as sort of teams he is looking to join will not touch him with a barge pole!

Sadly, I think football scouts are clever enough to look up Delph's stats re bookings before making such inaccurate assumptions about their regularity, unlike posters on the internet.

[silhillvilla]

Oh and Guzans latest trick, if he can't pass short and backwards from a GK to a FB is too dink one chest high to a FB midway inside our half who has to bring the ball down of his chest to pass it back to him usually with two opposing players closing in.
Some of the nonsense going on today was bizarre.

[SoccerHQ]

Do people on here think we should be challenging for Europe under the current ownership? Get a grip. We're avoiding relegation.

I think we should be challenging for 7th/8th place, which I'd count as Europe.

1. Man City
2. Chelsea
3. Man United
4. Arsenal
5. Liverpool
6. Tottenham

We're not on a level playing field with any of these. So you think we're trying to finish above the likes of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Newcastle no problem considering our financial situation?

I never said we would 'finish above them no problem', that's not what challenging means. But I think the current squad has potential to if they can get playing right, I think it's very pessimistic (no, not realistic) to say that we shouldn't be near those clubs.

We should be competing with Newcastle. They don't have a better squad/first 11 than we do, no way.

Stoke are an intreresting example. Mark Hughes has had less to spend than Lambert yet has come up with Diouf, Bojan and Arnautovic for about 3m which creates a forward line of pace, power and creativity when it's on song.

As much as it would've been seen as negative at the time, Hughes to us in 2011 would've probably been a good move as he's shown frequently he can build decent competitive premier league teams for virtually peanuts.

I don't expect to see us in the top 8 but surely it's not asking for a miracle to at least look to get 45-50 points in a season and maybe just sneak into the top 10?