Swansea City vs Aston Villa Post Match Thread

[claret and blue blood]

Against Manure,the 2 obvious players who need to be replaced with quality were Gabby and Weiman,not bad players or servants to our club,but they are holding down positions which need to be filled by a better class of player.Do that and we might start scoring a few goals and winning a few games ,the shot into the Holte and his run yesterday ending in a feeble effort both by Weiman demonstrate this.

[AV82EC]

Against Manure,the 2 obvious players who need to be replaced with quality were Gabby and Weiman,not bad players or servants to our club,but they are holding down positions which need to be filled by a better class of player.Do that and we might start scoring a few goals and winning a few games ,the shot into the Holte and his run yesterday ending in a feeble effort both by Weiman demonstrate this.

This, this and this again. It's been obvious since the start of last season. Neither has the technical or tactical awareness to play these roles.

[Boz]

I really do think the criticism of Cleverley is harsh - he may not have been amazing, but I do believe that his presence has helped the team to develop this improving style of football. I hope we sign him permanently in January.

He shouldn't be taking free kicks, he's terrible from a dead ball. If Lambert pays £7m for him it's wasted money.

[berneboy]

I was in my mid forties when we won the EC.   My guess is that most of the posters on H and V are about that age. 

Most posters in their seventies, Mr Green? I'm a young whippersnapper of 60! Sir Brian's age but not rank.

[citizenDJ]

I really do think the criticism of Cleverley is harsh - he may not have been amazing, but I do believe that his presence has helped the team to develop this improving style of football. I hope we sign him permanently in January.

I am aghast at this comment. He did nothing of note.

Receive ball, run 5 yards, turn around with back facing the goal, pass the ball back. Repeat until substituted.

Aghast?! Really?

Anyway, I would suggest that the fact that, as you point out, he a) received the ball and then b) passed the ball to a team-mate is fairly supportive of the point I was making, really.

[PeterWithesShin]

I was in my mid forties when we won the EC.   My guess is that most of the posters on H and V are about that age.  I just want them to enjoy what I enjoyed at their age.   It is their heritage and should not be sacrificed for some self defeating mission to balance the books and arse lick round the owner.

Do you also want them to enjoy what you enjoyed in your 30s, division 3 football and 8 years out of the top flight and 14 straight seasons of never finishing top 10? Lets not pretend it was all great back in the day. There have been some great highs, but 1 league title and 2 FA Cups in the last 100 years is the (sad) reality of following Villa.

[Legion]

1 European Cup.

1 European Super Cup.

Do the Inter-Toto and Peace Cups count?

[paul_e]

Can't say I've read much of this thread so this may have been raised already but I'm a bit annoyed that the new passing style seems to mostly consist of passing it around in defence. That's not the change we needed, yes it's easier on the eye but it still involves keeping men behind the ball and playing safe, which is the key issue. To score goals we need to find space in the box, getting runners from midfield and people involved in play higher up the pitch gives you more chance to do that. What we're doing now, at its heart, is no different to the rest of the season. It's all about holding a defensive shape and hoping to spring a quick attack.

Towards the end we committed a few more forward and created chances but it came too late. He really needs to let us attack before we're chasing the game.

[dorsetvillian]

Still not sure what to make of yesterday. Very frustrated by the first half performance. Unlike the Utd game the 352 just looked all wrong and no one seemed to know what the hell they were supposed to be doing. Second half I thought we controlled the game but just couldn't quite find that quality pass or cross to make it count. I was very frustrated with the Beast throughout. He tried flick after flick when I thought he needed to hold the ball turn and run at the Swansea defence. Still thought we deserved at the very least a draw. As many have already, we need to take advantage of the next two games. 

[silhillvilla]

Possession football needs an end product.

[brian green]

Yes PWS I would take all that and I did take all that.   I don't know how much of it you were there for but I can assure you without fear of contradiction that the spirit of the fans burned just as fiercely in the 3rd division as it did when we were in the first.

I really should not have to repeat the point but it keeps being ignored.   In all the time I have followed the club there was never ever a time, unlike now, when we did not believe we would rise again the very top. You can be as sniffy as you like about me singling out the European Cup as something I want younger fans to enjoy but the fact that we had been so long in the depths before that glorious time served only to make it more joyous for me and those like me.

[PeterWithesShin]

I didn't ask if you did it, it was if you wanted the current generation to 'enjoy' it as well as it's as much a part of their heritage as winning the European Cup and the double is. It's crap at the moment, it was shit back then. Maybe in 10 years we'll win the league and European Cup again. But just like then, when living through the crap times, we have no idea what the future will hold.

As you know how old I am having met me and i've said on here often enough, you know I wasn't there then so not sure why you ask how much I was there for.

[Ron Manager]

I was in my mid forties when we won the EC.   My guess is that most of the posters on H and V are about that age.  I just want them to enjoy what I enjoyed at their age.   It is their heritage and should not be sacrificed for some self defeating mission to balance the books and arse lick round the owner.

Do you also want them to enjoy what you enjoyed in your 30s, division 3 football and 8 years out of the top flight and 14 straight seasons of never finishing top 10? Lets not pretend it was all great back in the day. There have been some great highs, but 1 league title and 2 FA Cups in the last 100 years is the (sad) reality of following Villa.

I just want younger supporters to have the pleasure of enjoying something week in week out. Older supporters like me have seen intermittent glories in the past. At this present time it doesn't seem likely that those times will come round again.

[Legion]

There's always the FA Cup. We have to win it at some point. I'm going for 2017.

[N'ZMAV]

I'd keep Cleverley and bring in Redmond. I'd also possibly look at Jordan Rhodes to bring in,too.
We have the beginnings of a decent squad here; not convinced that Lambert can exploit it but he's who we've got for the time being, I fear.

I like both Redmond and Rhodes - but, I can see their clubs asking a fortune. Blackburn paid £8mil for Rhodes a few seasons back - so, I imagine they'll want at least £12mil approx? Redmond too, maybe something similar? Silly money.