Roy Keane has left

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Maybe Keane thinks TC is still under some hypnotic spell from Fergie. He's just an empty shell of a man acting as a conduit for Ferguson.

Still this is in the Sun so it must be true.

The Evening Mail carried the same story with the added story that "Keane now believes that it wasn't Cleverley who was behind the rumours of a bust-up and is now looking at another culprit."

[Clampy]

Maybe Keane thinks TC is still under some hypnotic spell from Fergie. He's just an empty shell of a man acting as a conduit for Ferguson.

Still this is in the Sun so it must be true.

The Evening Mail carried the same story with the added story that "Keane now believes that it wasn't Cleverley who was behind the rumours of a bust-up and is now looking at another culprit."

This sounds like a job for Jeremy Kyle and his lie detector.

[tomd2103]

It'll all come out in the wash.

Imagine having an argument with Gabby.

The story I've heard (through someone who knows someone at Villa #ITK) is that Lambert was instructing Gabby on the training pitch when Keane chipped in.  Gabby responded to this by telling Keane something along the lines of "what's it got to do with you?  I was talking to the manager".  Being the stable, controlled character that he is, Keane of course just took this insult in his stride and got on with things.  Or not.   

[silhillvilla]

With Keane on the lose and on a mission I imagine there will be a lot of curtain twitching in the squad . # mole

[pauliewalnuts]

My point was the fact the one constant in a whole heap of management shit, is one Mr. Paul Lambert

On the one hand, we don't know all the details, on the other, the footballing side of things seems to be really, really poorly managed.

Maybe we need a DoF or some other sort of responsible adult to help Lambert out, because this, coming after the shenanigans of two of his closest associates which were so bad, they actually got the sack, something nigh on impossible in football these days, it is hard not to wonder if he is struggling behind the scenes

[Chico Hamilton III]

Coming out tonight that he went round Tom Cleverley's house and confronted him over stories appearing in the press regarding back room bust up with Delph and Agbonglahor. Keane thought Cleverley was the source.

Roy Keane banging on your front door. I have this image of that scene from The Shining in my mind now

"Here's Roy!!"

[simon ward 50]

Coming out tonight that he went round Tom Cleverley's house and confronted him over stories appearing in the press regarding back room bust up with Delph and Agbonglahor. Keane thought Cleverley was the source.

Roy Keane banging on your front door. I have this image of that scene from The Shining in my mind now

"Here's Roy!!"

You're going to give us all nightmares!

[brontebilly]

I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.

Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack

[Dave]

I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.

Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack

What's nonsense about it?

He's an 18 year old to whom a country is desperate to give an international cap in order to commit him to them for life. If he's as inconsequential as you make out, why are Ireland so bothered about capping him when he's so young?

I think it's fair enough that he might think he could be good enough to play for England instead and wants to keep his options open.

Should he just meekly accept playing for Ireland as they were the first ones to show an interest?

[joe_c]

Roy peruses the pages of the third volume of his autobiography:

[pauliewalnuts]

I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.

Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack

What's wrong with that, though?

He might look at Ryan Giggs and wonder how much better his career would have been had he not pledged himself to Wales. Or Michael Owen if he had opted for Wales rather than England.

If i were him, I'd be conscious of the fact I didn't really have to make a decision yet, so I wouldn't do so.

Far from making it look like his head is in the wrong place, to me it looks like a sign he's a thoughtful kid.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents

[Pete]

Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents

Could he have represented Sierra Leone, via his grandfather?

[paul_e]

Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents

That's not quite correct but him (or any other player in that situation) attempting to play for a 'home nation' would be near impossible.  The issue resides in residency and nationality laws, basically none of the home nations exist as legal nationalities so we're all British but British doesn't exist in a sporting context so they are treated as countries.  Where that becomes a bit messy is that laws around nationality and freedom of movement allow you to become nationalised when you move between countries (so Januzaj could've played for England if he'd chosen to, for example) but because England and Wales are just regions within a single country those rules don't apply.

Take an example of how this could be made really messy a scottish couple live and work in London but want to be with their family in Glasgow for the birth of a their child before returning to London.  under the agreement which means Giggs can only play for Wales that child would only be eligible to play for Scotland despite living all but the first few days of their life in England.  If England selected him but Scotland then appealed that he was actually scottish the end result would put the separate FAs at huge risk of no longer being recognised.  That makes it in the best interests of all involved for there to never be any arguments, so in something like the Giggs case regardless of what the press may have said England were probably never interested because they knew Wales were, if that makes sense.

[Dave]

Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents

Where that becomes a bit messy is that laws around nationality and freedom of movement allow you to become nationalised when you move between countries (so Januzaj could've played for England if he'd chosen to, for example) but because England and Wales are just regions within a single country those rules don't apply.

He couldn't - the four home nations opted out of the residency rule in 2009.

Young players can still be naturalised if they've had five years of educaction while under the age of 18 within the home nation that they want to qualify for, but Januzaj was still a few years short of that by the time he declared for Belgium.