Roy Keane has left

[adrenachrome]

I wonder who "a source" might be.

Alan Hutton was interviewed fairly recently, and he said that that Keane had been great for the club, and he hoped the intensity brought to training sessions would continue.

If there is any substance to the Heil article, then Paul Lambert is a barefaced liar. 

[Villa in Denmark]

Nobody comes out of that well.

Keane, unsurprisingly, comes across as a moody git that's got no time for anyone without the ability he had or the willingness to blindly accept whatever he's saying / demanding.

The line about Villa players "not being paid enough to put up with that kind of shit" is in itself shit.
Either Keane's demands were unreasonable, regardless of how much you're being paid as a professional footballer, or too many in the squad are on easy street and couldn't be bothered to listen to someone who'll probably have won more titles and cups than our current squad will put together.  Salary shouldn't come into it.

Alternatively the whole article is shit stirring lies.

[Matt C]

Stirring shit? In the Daily Hate? Surely not

[Matt Collins]

No idea if any of that's true. But if it were true, it does t reflect wellin villa's squad at all. Not paid enough to turn up on time and put in a shift to the highest standards for a four hour day at work? Fuck me

On an only somewhat related point, it reminds me of a story I heard about Clive Woodward at Southampton. He tried to translate the discipline from rugby players' penalty kicking into football players'. He was convinced that with sufficient repetition you could train players to stick a penalty in either top corner with great consistency - ie unsavable. But the majority of footballers just wouldn't live with it. They just didn't have the discipline and rigour to do the practice

I don't know if either story is remotely true though so I won't criticise too much!

[PaulWinch again]

Keane was obviously a tit, but this reflects awfully on the players.

‘The problem with Keane is that he demands the same standards that he was used to at United and the lads at Villa don’t get paid enough to put up with that kind of c**p. He just got everybody down.’

[taylorsworkrate]

It is understood the long-serving Villa star was talking tactics with Lambert

Something about this story just doesn't add up.

[silhillvilla]

Article sounds about right. In a way his mission was achieved in the sense he fired a rocket up a few backsides at BH .

[johnc]

It is understood the long-serving Villa star was talking tactics with Lambert

Something about this story just doesn't add up.

Exactly. How do they expect is to believe this rubbish

[peter w]

Someone was probably asked how they felt about Keane going and they may have mentioned that they were happy and that there had been ructions. That's the same in any club at all levels of football. its turned a non-story into something more. I wouldn't be surprised if Keane left because he thought hbe was knocking his head against a brick wall with unresponsive players than anything.

[Drummond]

No idea if any of that's true. But if it were true, it does t reflect wellin villa's squad at all. Not paid enough to turn up on time and put in a shift to the highest standards for a four hour day at work? Fuck me

On an only somewhat related point, it reminds me of a story I heard about Clive Woodward at Southampton. He tried to translate the discipline from rugby players' penalty kicking into football players'. He was convinced that with sufficient repetition you could train players to stick a penalty in either top corner with great consistency - ie unsavable. But the majority of footballers just wouldn't live with it. They just didn't have the discipline and rigour to do the practice

I don't know if either story is remotely true though so I won't criticise too much!

I bet it is. Jonny Wilikinson trained and practised relentlessly and that's why his kicking was so accurate.

Ronaldo does it too, he's repeatedly the last player at the training ground and love or loathe him, he makes the most of his talent.

Woodward is right, practise often enough and you should be able to stick a penalty away in the top corner the vast majority of the time, but nobody ever spends enough time on it.

[mrfuse]

Its basically a nonsense story that anyone could write up.

Ive never really liked Keane and I hardly ever agree with his opinion. Great player always liked his work ethic and it sounds like his his training sessions were good. But his Man management skills leave a lot to be desired.

As much as you sometimes want to give most footballers a good kick up the arse theres a time a place and balanced way of getting your message across and I don't think Keane has the intelligence or poise to always deliver his point.

[aj2k77]

''It is understood the long-serving Villa star was talking tactics with Lambert''

Obviously bullshit.

[fredm]

No idea if any of that's true. But if it were true, it does t reflect wellin villa's squad at all. Not paid enough to turn up on time and put in a shift to the highest standards for a four hour day at work? Fuck me

On an only somewhat related point, it reminds me of a story I heard about Clive Woodward at Southampton. He tried to translate the discipline from rugby players' penalty kicking into football players'. He was convinced that with sufficient repetition you could train players to stick a penalty in either top corner with great consistency - ie unsavable. But the majority of footballers just wouldn't live with it. They just didn't have the discipline and rigour to do the practice

I don't know if either story is remotely true though so I won't criticise too much!

I bet it is. Jonny Wilikinson trained and practised relentlessly and that's why his kicking was so accurate.

Ronaldo does it too, he's repeatedly the last player at the training ground and love or loathe him, he makes the most of his talent.

Woodward is right, practise often enough and you should be able to stick a penalty away in the top corner the vast majority of the time, but nobody ever spends enough time on it.

Which top class sportsman (a golfer I think) was it who said "people say I am lucky, but it seems the more I practice the luckier I become"?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Gary Player.

[kippaxvilla2]

If and it is a big if, the reference to players saying they aren't paid enough etc etc, then that is ridiculous.