Roy Keane has left

[supertom]

Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.

There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.

It's the Manager who keeps telling us/them that the team were ''excellent'' when it's blatantly untrue.

I know. It winds me up no end. Not so much because I think its just for the cameras (because I've seen the likes of Fergie praising some lamentable performances for the sake of the cameras) but because you can see that Lambert genuinely seems to believe it. He'd pass the Kyle lie detector test that's for sure.
It also seems good enough for many of our squad as a consequence and it certainly doesn't seem to bother Randy any more.

Keane I think probably left before an inevitable explosion of Haaland proportions. As we all knew he probably would. He's a twat but I'm not surprised he can't handle the ineptitude at the club.

[Dave]

I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Didn't his Forest side get relegated?

[supertom]

I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Didn't his Forest side get relegated?

He did but I suppose he still looks back at working with Clough (even during a bad period) as something aspirational. I think they had a couple of cup finals around his time didn't they?? It was a decent side that went down too. Though to be fair they came up and then finished quite high (3rd?).
Too long ago. I can't remember.

[Dr Butler]

""I don't care about Keano...he don't care about me......"" all I care about is AVFC....""

good riddance to bad rubbish

UTV
The Doc

[Gregorys Boy]

Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.

There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.

But that is if you assume the rumours are true?  We don't know for sure that there was any training ground bust up.  Again returning to Pat Murphy's comments from friday, he said that there had been a bit of a dressing down following the QPR match, but that there had been nothing further.  And Darren Bent had said nothing but positive things to say about Keane.  And that is coming from a player out in the cold as far as his Villa future is concerned.  I just think that Keane decided that the arrangement wasn't suiting him anymore and felt it was time to quit.  As simple as that.  The timing was arratic, but that is Keane for you.

[Walmley_Villa]

Maybe he felt he was banging his head against a brickwall with Lambert - not taking his advice? Or that he saw himself as a distraction that wasn't fully committed to the role and felt some responsibility for that? Or just a rat getting out while he can! 

[supertom]

Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.

There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.

But that is if you assume the rumours are true?  We don't know for sure that there was any training ground bust up.  Again returning to Pat Murphy's comments from friday, he said that there had been a bit of a dressing down following the QPR match, but that there had been nothing further.  And Darren Bent had said nothing but positive things to say about Keane.  And that is coming from a player out in the cold as far as his Villa future is concerned.  I just think that Keane decided that the arrangement wasn't suiting him anymore and felt it was time to quit.  As simple as that.  The timing was arratic, but that is Keane for you.

In terms of the rumours of a big bust up I don't think they're true. I think it's the papers putting 2 and 2 together. But I wouldn't have any doubts that Keane just got fed up with the job. His enthusiasm from the job almost immediately dropped as soon as his book came out.

In all honesty I'd said from day one he'd last till November tops. That proved to be the case and I'm sure the vast majority of us probably felt similar. Keano just doesn't have the patience to be in a job like this. If things are going right, he's okay, but when they don't go alright he can't hack it. He can't bite his tongue. He either walks, gets fired, or he'll have a meltdown and then walk or get fired.

[Rioch is King]

How much difference did Keane or anyone else in that job (with Lambert) make? seriously... does this role of coach or assistant manager, or whatever, change a lot depending on the manager? 

[dave.woodhall]

Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?

[Dante Lavelli]

My guess is that Keane became exasperated with both the ability and application of the squad as they do not compare to what he expects. 
I also think that, as previously, he lacks the man management skills to coerce and coach the players to reach the standards that he demands.  Once he saw that he was 'losing' the dressing room he decide to quit rather than change his style himself (i.e. commit long term/change).

[paul_e]

Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?

That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.

[Dave]

Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?

That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.

Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.

Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.

[john e]

Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?

That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.

Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.

Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.

There's not many managers in the UK outside the real top ones that have achieved what Mclaren has in the game, yes he's had his bad times but overall he's proved himself a bloody good manager in my view
The only reason he's not working with a bigger club in the prem is because of what he looks like and sounds like, people just don't warm to him he's a bit bland and comes over a tad boring, Curbishley suffers in the same way

I would be quite happy with him at Villa, I'd certainly take him over Pullis

[paul_e]

Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?

That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.

Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.

Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.

There's not many managers in the UK outside the real top ones that have achieved what Mclaren has in the game, yes he's had his bad times but overall he's proved himself a bloody good manager in my view
The only reason he's not working with a bigger club in the prem is because of what he looks like and sounds like, people just don't warm to him he's a bit bland and comes over a tad boring, Curbishley suffers in the same way

I would be quite happy with him at Villa, I'd certainly take him over Pullis

I don't mean they can't do the job, I mean they didn't handle the pressure all that well, Mclaren struggled with the pressure at England (his results weren't terrible but he did what pretty much any half decent coach could've done with those players and nothing more), he just didn't have the personality to handle such a big job.  That's what a meant, basically all guys that are good coaches but aren't necessarily the right people to have doing press interviews and being seen as the 'boss' from the outside.

[mr underhill]

I got burned for this recently when my memory was playing tricks on me regarding McClaren and his link with us a few years ago. I though some fan shroud waving forced Randy to pull out of a proposed interview, but the consensus was that Dutch Steve blew his interview, failing to impress Lerner and whom ever else was on the panel. If true I don't think he's rush back , if Uncle Randy came calling soon, but  I rate the guy highly, particularly as a coach, which, as we are all agreed, is an area that needs significant improvement.