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Offline Ron Manager

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #270 on: November 30, 2014, 02:29:12 PM »
When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.

Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all. But he was on a loser telling them the truth. The truth hurts
but most of them are on good contracts and as safe as houses... as is Lambert.

Dont blame Keane at all.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM by Ron Manager »

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #271 on: November 30, 2014, 02:36:11 PM »
When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.

Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all.
Based on every managerial job he's had so far, nor is he associated with competent man-management skills either.

Offline IAmTheOneIanOlney

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #272 on: November 30, 2014, 02:53:04 PM »
When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.

Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all.
Based on every managerial job he's had so far, nor is he associated with competent man-management skills either.

As he freely admits in his book. But the manager and first team coach have different relationships with the players, so perhaps he struggled to adapt to the secondary role (at club level, anyway).  The stuff in his book was always going to be something to throw in his face if someone disagreed with him and he's only got himself to blame for that.
It was worth a try and it didn't work out.

Offline brian green

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #273 on: November 30, 2014, 02:54:59 PM »
I see he is in the London Irish dressing room for their match against Gloucester today.   He must have identified a demographic where his book sales are flagging. Irish lost by the way. By some margin.   I think that is London Irish's fifth or sixth straight defeat. What a talisman.

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #274 on: November 30, 2014, 02:58:06 PM »
When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.

Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all.
Based on every managerial job he's had so far, nor is he associated with competent man-management skills either.

The truth is likely somewhere in between. He had very high standards as a player and won everything domestically in the game. He knows what it takes to get to that level, and sometimes the greats simply don't communicate that well. Add to that his temper or lack thereof and it isn't a great combination for having patience with players not at that level both in ability or mentally. I imagine he just finally snapped, something that most of us figured would happen at some point anyway. He also probably got tired of losing week in week out, and had the luxury unlike the rest of us of getting out while he could.

Offline brian green

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #275 on: November 30, 2014, 03:01:23 PM »
My younger son when I sent him a text "Keane has done one" replied "bear shits in woods."   My kids are brilliant.   Bit coarse like their dad, but brilliant none the less.

Offline Gregorys Boy

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #276 on: November 30, 2014, 04:03:59 PM »
Besides the timing I don't think it is that much of a surprise and Keane is that sort of character.  While, I don't think he had that much of an impact while at Villa when you are struggling and have a lot of games coming up in a short space of time then it is bad timing.  He could have waited until after Christmas.

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #277 on: November 30, 2014, 06:05:22 PM »
Keane leaving isn't the biggest surprise of the season. Probably just as well. He doesn't like losing, and normally that might be a good quality. However as a coach he seems unable to help the players winning, so in this particular instance it might not be such a good quality at all. Probably having him hanging around any longer would just have added friction and unhappiness until the inevitable happened anyway.

Offline Chico Hamilton III

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #278 on: December 01, 2014, 09:39:56 AM »
Keane leaving isn't the biggest surprise of the season.

Keane joining was the biggest surprise for me

Offline silhillvilla

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #279 on: December 01, 2014, 09:58:53 AM »
We don't know the ins and outs of whose decision it was he want and it's timing.

Offline OzVilla

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #280 on: December 01, 2014, 10:03:12 AM »
I reckon he rumbled a few both on the pitch and in the dug out and they didn't like it.


Offline not3bad

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #281 on: December 01, 2014, 10:07:42 AM »
I look forward to finding out the full story in the next part of his autobiography.

Offline Gregorys Boy

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #282 on: December 01, 2014, 10:27:20 AM »
I look forward to finding out the full story in the next part of his autobiography.

This.

I think Pat Murphy's point on Monday about people reading more into this because of it being Roy Keane was a telling one. 

Offline supertom

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #283 on: December 01, 2014, 11:09:36 AM »
Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.

There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.

Offline Villafirst

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Re: Roy Keane has left
« Reply #284 on: December 01, 2014, 01:08:26 PM »
Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.

Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.

There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.

It's the Manager who keeps telling us/them that the team were ''excellent'' when it's blatantly untrue.

 


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