We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...

[dave.woodhall]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

..and how do you know that?

As Tom Ross put it, "Everything was done for the benefit of Team O'Neill." Others put it slightly more bluntly.

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Go do your LLB or your GDL if you already have a degree, then your LPC, get a Training Contract, work at it for 2 years (unless you have time to count) then all will become clear.

Alternatively, just take it on face value that the lawyer master race knows more than you.

So you don't know, fair enough, why didn't you just say so.

Lulz.

Go read a few pages back, it will save history repeating itself.

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I don't think there is a great deal of merit in speculating about something whereby we don't know any of the facts.

[Legion]

He left us in the lurch five days before the start of the season and took almost the entire backroom staff.

[PaulTheVillan]

I just miss winning games.

[PeterWithesShin]

He's a pube-headed spiteful judas twat. That's a fact.

[Legion]

He's a pube-headed spiteful judas twat. That's a fact.

That aswell.

[Stu]

I don't think there is a great deal of merit in speculating about something whereby we don't know any of the facts.

Internet.

[brontebilly]

Another MON thread, we wouldnt miss him by any chance?

To be honest, we probably got MON at a good time in his career. His efforts at Sunderland were pitiful and he is showing no signs that he is anything but a busted flush in the Irish job currently.

He gave it a good go but his limitations were apparent by the end. He isnt responsible for the utter farce since though.

MON made many mistakes in the transfer market but he wasnt responsible for the likes of Nzogbia, Makoun and Ireland. Three of the biggest impostors to have ever represented the club.

Five years of fighting relegation, 25k crowd this evening against second in the league. its time to point the finger somewhere else lads.

[saunders_heroes]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

He also left the same time Lerner decided to reign in the spending (which started the decline of Aston Villa), let's not forget that, Dave.

[dave.woodhall]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

He also left the same time Lerner decided to reign in the spending (which started the decline of Aston Villa), let's not forget that, Dave.

Yes, I did say that. It's one of the things that makes him such a wanker.

[brontebilly]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

He also left the same time Lerner decided to reign in the spending (which started the decline of Aston Villa), let's not forget that, Dave.

Bent, Makoun and Ireland were signed within 6 months of MON leaving. That was 40m or so spent.

I'm not sure where the decline began, probably even before MON left. Letting him bring the likes in of Heskey, Dunne, Warnock, Collins all in the space of a few months was probably it for me. Houllier was a disaster. McLeish and Lambert arent up to it but they havent been supported by Lerner really either with decent cash.

[saunders_heroes]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

He also left the same time Lerner decided to reign in the spending (which started the decline of Aston Villa), let's not forget that, Dave.

Yes, I did say that. It's one of the things that makes him such a wanker.

He was a wanker for walking out, but Lerner is a bigger wanker for what he's done since. O'Neill obviously had the rug pulled out from under his feet by the chairman who must have told him of his plan to strip the squad of its better players and replace them with crap from the lower leagues. Now look at us.
Well done, Randy.

[dave.woodhall]

He was a wanker for walking out, but Lerner is a bigger wanker for what he's done since. O'Neill obviously had the rug pulled out from under his feet by the chairman who must have told him of his plan to strip the squad of its better players and replace them with crap from the lower leagues. Now look at us.
Well done, Randy.

Obviously.

[saunders_heroes]

He was a wanker for walking out, but Lerner is a bigger wanker for what he's done since. O'Neill obviously had the rug pulled out from under his feet by the chairman who must have told him of his plan to strip the squad of its better players and replace them with crap from the lower leagues. Now look at us.
Well done, Randy.

Obviously.

Indeed.