We've not had a Martin O'Neill argument in ages...

[pauliewalnuts]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

I blame Randy for lots of things, and MON for others. Some things, I find them both guilty for.

It really isn't that complicated. The two parties settled.

As two legal people have pointed out here, you can not deduce from that that MON won his case, or that Randy won it either. It means they've settled the dispute between themselves. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand?

What we do know is that MON walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

[curiousorange]

Whatever he got and how he got it, it's too much for me to stomach. Spiteful bell-end.

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

[pauliewalnuts]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

And how do you know that?

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

I blame Randy for lots of things, and MON for others. Some things, I find them both guilty for.

It really isn't that complicated. The two parties settled.

As two legal people have pointed out here, you can not deduce from that that MON won his case, or that Randy won it either. It means they've settled the dispute between themselves. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand?

What we do know is that MON walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

MON walked, Randy settled. MON got a payout.

[Dave]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

What about the people who think that they both made a big of a pig's ear out of the situation and don't really have a particular horse that they are backing?

[Mister E]

Someone above suggested that had we instituted a tougher line on transfers earlier in the summer of 2010 we might have either forced MOM earlier or he'd have had time to accept the situation and act accordingly.
This seems sensible to me - although of course it may have been initiated earlier to MON b it only came to a head in mid-August. Either way, his departure was spiteful and vindictive and does him no credit whatsoever.
Lerner's big mistake was not having the long-term strategy that better-defined the future management choice ... Even though he got unlucky with GHou's health.

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

And how do you know that?

It's my belief.

[pauliewalnuts]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

I blame Randy for lots of things, and MON for others. Some things, I find them both guilty for.

It really isn't that complicated. The two parties settled.

As two legal people have pointed out here, you can not deduce from that that MON won his case, or that Randy won it either. It means they've settled the dispute between themselves. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand?

What we do know is that MON walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

MON walked, Randy settled. MON got a payout.

From which you can not deduce that MON in anyway "won" his case, because we don't know any of the details.

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

What about the people who think that they both made a big of a pig's ear out of the situation and don't really have a particular horse that they are backing?

Come on, you've got to blame someone, that's what this thread is all about.

[dave.woodhall]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

I blame Randy for lots of things, and MON for others. Some things, I find them both guilty for.

It really isn't that complicated. The two parties settled.

As two legal people have pointed out here, you can not deduce from that that MON won his case, or that Randy won it either. It means they've settled the dispute between themselves. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand?

What we do know is that MON walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

MON walked, Randy settled. MON got a payout.

From which you can not deduce that MON in anyway "won" his case, because we don't know any of the details.

I never said he "won", you did.

[pauliewalnuts]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

I blame Randy for lots of things, and MON for others. Some things, I find them both guilty for.

It really isn't that complicated. The two parties settled.

As two legal people have pointed out here, you can not deduce from that that MON won his case, or that Randy won it either. It means they've settled the dispute between themselves. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand?

What we do know is that MON walked out on us five days before the start of the season.

MON walked, Randy settled. MON got a payout.

From which you can not deduce that MON in anyway "won" his case, because we don't know any of the details.

I never said he "won", you did.

It is quite clearly what you are implying.

If the chairman was not responsible for MON walking away, why did he pay him compensation?

This nonsense again?

Really?

Well he did recieve a payout. This would imply he was wronged in some way

[cdward]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

No he was not forced out. For the first time he was being asked to do the job without a completely free hand in everything from transfer budget to appointing the club's administrative staff. In other words he was being asked to do the same as every other manager in the league, and every other Villa manager in history. Rather than carry on doing the job for which he was very well paid, and in which he had been given almost total support by everyone from owner to supporters, he walked out. And he didn't just walk out; he walked out at a time purposely designed to cause maximum inconvenience and, almost uniquely, took his backroom staff with him. 

..and how do you know that?

[Dave]

So the people who blame MON, prefer to believe he didn't get a pay out, but agreed a settlement.

The people who blame Randy, believe MON got a pay out.

I wonder how much his settlement was worth?

How in God's name can you blame anyone but O'Neill for the way and in particular the timing of when he walked out?

He was forced out by Randy changing the parameters, ergo constructive dismissal.

That seems to implicate that you don't think Randy should have changed the parameters - and should have carried on giving O'Neill carte blanche to spend what he wanted?

Are there any managers who have a completely unlimited budget? If not, why should O'Neill have been different?