QPR v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[itbrvilla]

We are limp and ineffective. Physically very poor last night see 'concrete' getting out muscled by Bobby Fecking Zamora! there seems no belief in what we are doing which isn't surprising as we have tried to play the same way for the last 2 years and losing more often than not.

In the Times today Cascarino actually hit the nail on the head when commenting that Lambert's comments on Lamella's rabona was that it was the keeper's fault and gave no credit for the goal. He sees no flair and sets his team up to be cautious first. He is dour and his team reflects his personality.

Hard to disagree.

Agree with PL re the Rabona. Fail to see what the hype was about

Me too.

[PeterWithesShin]

Sanchez is just not ready for a full 90 minutes. For 5-10 minutes before his cock up he was looking dead on his feet. He was playing a few tired passes as he'd clearly run out of steam. For 60 minutes though he looked a class player. However it's also yet another indication of a clear problem that Lambert fails to identify. Countless times he doesn't act if someone clearly needs to come off, or a certain opposition player is murdering us down one side (Arfa at VP last season for example).
When he finally did make some changes, they were inevitably wrong.

See I think Keane needs to take some blame as well, he should be telling to Lambert to make a change. Keane got plenty of praise for the first 4 games, he deserves some of the blame for the last 5.

[RussellC]

Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.

It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.

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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.

It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.

Not really. If Sanchez had been plying his trade in this league for over two seasons, then he might not get cut as much slack. The fact is though, he was starting his second game, had played well and was shattered when he gave the ball away.

There is no need for the " " round mistake either.

[supertom]

Cleverley isn't going to do anything when he is shunted wide.

That midfield three Lambert keeps on with just has no balance. No one really breaks forward. We had Sanchez doing his job, sat deep, very well and he kept getting the ball forward and showing urgency.
Further forward Westwood was his usual cumbersome self. Never moving the ball quick enough and rarely doing anything other than a sideways or backward pass. As you say, TC kept finding himself wide looking for the ball, but still not getting it in any positions where he could hurt people.

Sanchez was right. He's a player we need. Beyond him though, if we're gonna play a three, one of Westwood and TC has to be dropped because they're too similar. Tidy players. TC is the better of the two. I'm still not convinced Westwood is good enough.

A system change is needed though. We need someone who's going to play a number 10 role. Or alternatively we need to play a wider 4-3-3 and have our attackers providing width. Personally I'd opt for a 4-2-3-1. Play the Chelsea way. Often in matches Mourinho will instruct his fullbacks to not venture too far forward but stay back in support, and concentrate on defending. Granted his attack 4 up top are more than capable of creating by themselves, but I think it's something we have to adopt. Cissokho is good in defence but terrible going forward. Hutton is also not brilliant going forward, so one or both, should largely stay around the halfway line when we're going forward. But for that, we need width up top, which Lambert seems loath to use.
We can't keep using our fullbacks as our primary creative outlets though, because they're not good enough on the ball for that. I don't think Lowton or Cissokho put one decent ball in all game.

[PeterWithesShin]

Obviously Vlaar shouldn't have let Zamora win the ball, but Westwood - and Clark, who spends the whole time ball-watching and never seems to have any idea of where the opposition players are - were equally at fault.

Absolutely. Clark was a day late and a dollar short for the first goal, and if you watch the second again - what is he doing ? He doesn't go to help Sanchez, he doesn't move to block the cross, he's not marking anyone - he's just stood in no man's land.

Admittedly i'm already trying to block it out but I think Clark was where he should have been for the second, stopping an easy cross or pass into a massive empty area between the penalty spot and the edge of the area. Because we'd given the ball away we were short on numbers at the back.

I'll probably watch it back and see we had loads of players back now.

[Clampy]

Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.

It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.

Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think what scares me is that, last night, we surrendered feebly to an awful team, and showed pretty much all our weaknesses, yet although it was pretty awful, we are actually capable of playing much worse than that.

Frightening.

[pauliewalnuts]

Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.

It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.

Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.

True, but I think you're probably understating it by referring to a couple of misplaced passes - he basically gave them the second goal and looked absolutely terrified after that.

Good till that point, but that was a pretty spectacular fuck up.

[supertom]

Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.

It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.

Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.

It's also a long way from the half way line to the goal. As bad a rick as it was, the others didn't particularly cope well with it, and someone called Concrete, with two seasons at this level behind him,  shouldn't have been getting bullied like he was last night.

[RussellC]

Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.

It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.

Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.

I'm sorry, but you can't have such a dramatic over-reaction to Vlaar's error and then describe Sanchez as making "A couple of misplaced passes". He did look good in the first half, but was generally very poor for 20 minutes in the second and his key contribution to the game was to assist their second goal.

Vlaar was held-off by Zamora, but we're talking about a striker who was still outside of the box with his back-to-goal, with Vlaar still goal-side of him. The comments about him wanting lynching are bizarre. In my opinion, of course.

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I think what scares me is that, last night, we surrendered feebly to an awful team, and showed pretty much all our weaknesses, yet although it was pretty awful, we are actually capable of playing much worse than that.

Frightening.

I don't think we surrendered, we dominated the ball throughout, we just looked utterly clueless.

The players need to take responsibility, because the way we're set up just does not work. If I had been Gabby last night after the subs had been made which made us even more narrow, I would have took responsibility and thought "fuck this". I would have not sat withdrawn and central as instructed, I would have pulled as wide as possible and stretched QPR and got some width to it.

The manager keeps proving he is incapable of setting us up with a plan or a pattern to attack a side. Full bakcs taking early crosses, muddling slow ball through the middle does not work. Even our counter attacking is poor, as we invariable fail to utilise the space in behind.

[SamTheMouse]

If Lambert really did instruct Gabby to play centrally behind Benteke, in an already congested midfield, then he wants sacking for that alone. Because it's fucking moronic.

[PaulWinch again]

I think Westwood is decent, but he's caught between two roles at the minute. I think he should be setting the tempo for the side.

[Damo70]

Just caught up with the last few pages. I admire all the detailed analysis but let's face it, after over two years of record breaking ineptitude we need to sack the manager.