Aston Villa vs Everton Post-Match Thread

[supertom]

And you can bet your balti pie money that the likes of QPR, Burnley or Hull won't be looking at us thinking "well, Villa are better than us, so let's not worry about giving them a game." They'll be looking to take all the points.

I think if N'Zogbia hadn't given the ball away two minutes into the second half, it might have been a lot different. (If my aunt had bollocks...) There's also a difference between a match between Villa and Hull/QPR/Burnley and a match between Villa and Man City/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/(to a lesser degree, but still the £28m on Lukaku) Everton. There just is and that's the shitness of modern football. I might go and watch Boldmere St. Mikes next week for fairer competition and better quality football.

The thing about the 28 million for Lukaku is that in Evertons case their transfer budget is entirely dependant on their player sales and not their owner having bottomless pockets. If Everton have done one thing exceptionally over the last 10 years it's selling their best players for big money and not letting it effect their league level too much (if at all). They're almost always in the sort of top 8 area now.

Of course this goes back to how piss poorly we've been run under Lerner. Because we should be able to do the same. We're both similar clubs but we've got no one at the club who really understands football, or appears to have any nouse (and I hope Tom Fox is going to address this). The last major signing we made was Darren Bent, and that was funded from the Milner sale, and partly by the impending exit of Ashley Young.

Since selling Downing we've not made significant money on anyone, and even throughout the MON period we bought so much dross that we've ended up letting huge earners run down contracts or go for a lot less than we paid. That continued with McLeish and will continue with Lambert as most of his signings are currently out on loan because they're shit. They didn't cost much and they're not on high wages, but he's signed probably a dozen players who aren't remotely good enough in this league and who we'll lose money on.

Sometimes there's something to be said for selling a couple of your better players and trying to freshen things up with different players. However right now our best players are Vlaar and Delph who have 6 months left on deals, and then there's Benteke who will only sell for big money if he has a successful season.

I don't look at Everton and Southampton and believe we can't compete with their spending power. We can't compete with their nous and how they run their football clubs. Lerner is McGrath knows where and doesn't give a toss, and we keep making the wrong managerial appointments, leaving us stuck in the dark ages. Houllier had the right ideas, if not always the best execution, or physical health, but since then we've had managers stuck in archaic football, largely because Lerner is probably trying to recreate what O Neill did, which while fairly successful was still an old fashioned brand of football and his side was on the precipice of decline. He knew what he was doing when he fucked off. We were heading down the league. I don't think he'd have done much better than where Houllier finished in the end had he stayed.

[walsall villain]

I would like to see Grealish start and Sanchez come in too for Richardson and N'Zogbia. But Lambert seems over cautious to me, so it will probably be the same old same old.

[peter w]

I doubt it has much to do with their transfer sales. On top of Lukaku how much do you think Barry and Eto'o would be on? Who have they sold recently that would cover that kind of outlay?

[WestleyArmsAV]

The fact that we sell out more or less every away game and our home attendances are what they are speaks volumes.

[Witton Warrior]

Well I have bought cheap tickets up to the Jan 1st game and wish I hadn't to be honest - this "hope" thing is getting me down now - like many others I have spent a long time following this team and was lucky enough to experience the mid-70's to early-80's which were wonderful. I will be at the last home match as that will mark 40 years of watching the Villa but I have no enthusiasm for any of the games in between.

[saunders_heroes]

I actually wanted to log on to bbc football to find that he'd gone. Where's Leighton's flag making when you need him?

Seriously, did you really think there was any chance of him being sacked after yesterday ? We could lose the next 5 and his job would be safe as houses, the man is under no pressure whatsoever.

Which is why i said the pressure needs to come from the terraces.

You're right. I think the reason Lerner/Lambert have got away with so much shit over the last few years is because the fan base have been so apathetic. Years back (under Ellis) the fans were much more vocal in their protest but I don't understand why we sit there and do nothing when we've been humiliated so many times. It's amost like Lerner has drained all the life out of the club. I've never known a period like this in all my years supporting the club.
The fans have to become more vocal. We can't put up with this shit anymore.

[supertom]

I doubt it has much to do with their transfer sales. On top of Lukaku how much do you think Barry and Eto'o would be on? Who have they sold recently that would cover that kind of outlay?

They still had a hefty chunk of money from Fellaini, and I imagine being so well run they didn't piss away most of the Sky money on sorting out debts. I wouldn't say Everton's net spend is ever that high. Never in a million years would Kenwright have sat by and let O Neill do what he did for example.

I think they may cash in on Baines this summer too. He looks a little bit like he's about to hit a decline, but I reckon they'll still get at least 10 for him. Barkley could conceivably go for 20 million if they wanted to cash in. Would they suffer from losing from either? I don't think they would. They'd just get on with it.

[supertom]

I actually wanted to log on to bbc football to find that he'd gone. Where's Leighton's flag making when you need him?

Seriously, did you really think there was any chance of him being sacked after yesterday ? We could lose the next 5 and his job would be safe as houses, the man is under no pressure whatsoever.

Which is why i said the pressure needs to come from the terraces.

You're right. I think the reason Lerner/Lambert have got away with so much shit over the last few years is because the fan base have been so apathetic. Years back (under Ellis) the fans were much more vocal in their protest but I don't understand why we sit there and do nothing when we've been humiliated so many times. It's amost like Lerner has drained all the life out of the club. I've never known a period like this in all my years supporting the club.
The fans have to become more vocal. We can't put up with this shit anymore.

If we lose against QPR, then the following game at VP will be a nightmare for Lambert. The fans (I hope) won't put up with it and we should be letting him know.
Of course that said, Lerner won't be there and will he really be bothered? He's got his head in the sand and his hand by his phone waiting for a buyer who doesn't seem to be coming.

[kippaxvilla2]

Another piece of history made yesterday.  First time we have lost four in a row without scoring since 2001.

[Clampy]

I would like to see Grealish start and Sanchez come in too for Richardson and N'Zogbia. But Lambert seems over cautious to me, so it will probably be the same old same old.

Yes, I would as well. I'd possibly bring in Weimann for Gabby as well although that would rob us of the only pace we have.

[Dr Butler]

Supertom....Randy was there yesterday according to reports.
Something needs to change that's for sure.
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The Doc

[andyh]

Supertom....Randy was there yesterday according to reports.
Something needs to change that's for sure.
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The Doc

He was there. They showed him on the live feed.

[supertom]

Supertom....Randy was there yesterday according to reports.
Something needs to change that's for sure.
UTV
The Doc

I hope he's here at the next home game. He needs to be within the atmosphere if it's not going right. After that Bolton game he knew McLeish had to go. If by the time we're playing Spurs we've lost to QPR and are staring down the barrel of 6 straight losses, then surely even Randy would have to take some action. But I think he has to be at the game and not hear it in passing over the phone or the web. It's got to get him in the gut.

[richard moore]

I would like to see Grealish start and Sanchez come in too for Richardson and N'Zogbia. But Lambert seems over cautious to me, so it will probably be the same old same old.

Yes, I would as well. I'd possibly bring in Weimann for Gabby as well although that would rob us of the only pace we have.

I'm afraid moving very average players around the deck of the ship will make bog all difference. We're kidding ourselves to think that is the problem or that we are unnecessarily unlucky with injuries

[achilles]

And you can bet your balti pie money that the likes of QPR, Burnley or Hull won't be looking at us thinking "well, Villa are better than us, so let's not worry about giving them a game." They'll be looking to take all the points.

I think if N'Zogbia hadn't given the ball away two minutes into the second half, it might have been a lot different. (If my aunt had bollocks...) There's also a difference between a match between Villa and Hull/QPR/Burnley and a match between Villa and Man City/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/(to a lesser degree, but still the £28m on Lukaku) Everton. There just is and that's the shitness of modern football. I might go and watch Boldmere St. Mikes next week for fairer competition and better quality football.

Doesn't that apply equally to Leyton Orient and we all know what they did to a Premier League side but they should have known better!