Tom Cleverley - Loan Confirmed

[pauliewalnuts]

Does literally every thread now have to end in a self effacing "oh look at us" we're so self demeaning but jovial, realistically and comfortably positioned no marks and happy in our own skin , red cafe, rawk, even TBAR, cone look at us, laugh with us, together, hahaha.

The irony of you of all people criticising others for sounding like a predictable, broken record.

I think I might need a sit down to get over that.

[silhillvilla]

It's not a criticism . It's an observation.

[Toronto Villa]

Does literally every thread now have to end in a self effacing "oh look at us" we're so self demeaning but jovial, realistically and comfortably positioned no marks and happy in our own skin , red cafe, rawk, even TBAR, cone look at us, laugh with us, together, hahaha.

The irony of you of all people criticising others for sounding like a predictable, broken record.

I think I might need a sit down to get over that.

It's a long lie down Paulie that you need. I might take the week off to get over the irony.

[Ron Manager]

Well. Guess where I was when I heard this news?. 4000ft up the biggest mountain in Great Britain! Wondering why I do these things at my age I observed a fellow in a Man United shirt who had stopped to catch his breath. He came from Manchester 'a few of us do y'know' and was furious that Van Gaal had let Kagawa go. I said 'well you still have Cleverley' and then he saw my Villa badge and brought me up to date re this situation. And then he carried on to the top and I struggled on slowly.

One question, now I have read everything on my return. Has Cleverly sacked his agent yet?. If not are we being used as a shop window for his 'talents?' until January.


I'm not happy about the way agents can treat clubs . I blame Eric Hall for this

[richard moore]

I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.

He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.

In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.

Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.

Almost everything to do with football these days lacks class I think. It's only people like Steven Naismith and other similar stories that fill me with any sort of appetite for the game more generally!

[OCD]

What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.

[Richard E]

I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.

He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.

In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.

Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.

To be fair if it is the same interview I heard, at about 5.15-5.30 ish on "Deadline Day" TM then I don't think it was HIS agent just A football agent. He also said there was no chance of Wellbeck going to Arsenal, so he clearly had his finger on the pulse.

[richard moore]

What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.

Sorry, Naismith did nothing as regards agents but has bought season tickets for unemployed Everton fans to share this season and last Christmas donated money for homeless people to have a Christmas lunch 

[dekko]

I don't know if this has already been said somewhere but I heard the agent on talksport about mid afternoon on deadline day.

He said that Hull, Villa & Everton were all in with a chance of signing Cleverley, it was just going to be down to which one of them was prepared to dig deepest to lure him with the most money.

In itself that is probably pretty crass in its directness but it was particularly the way he said it that made him sound like a total arse.

Crikey, that's pretty straight up about it all. How classless.

To be fair if it is the same interview I heard, at about 5.15-5.30 ish on "Deadline Day" TM then I don't think it was HIS agent just A football agent. He also said there was no chance of Wellbeck going to Arsenal, so he clearly had his finger on the pulse.

I can't be bothered to dig up a link or anything, but the agent who made those comments was a different agent from some different agency to the one Cleverly uses, he was just on Talksport as a general talking head answering questions from their point of view.

[ChicagoLion]

That article does bring to light a different perspective on what took place at the deadline. However it still begs the question, wouldn't the client have been fully informed of the actions of his agent? I can't believe that the agent had acted independently as much of a clock he appears to be.

Anyway, it's done now so let's hope he proves on the pitch why coming to Villa was such an easy decision.

Players are often naïve and gullible. The agents just see them as cash machines and it is obvious that the Clubs seemed to have taken a greater responsibility in the players interest.

[amfy]

Fair enough, I was listening whilst at work so that may well be the case as the radio didn't have my undivided attention.

[olaftab]

Dion Dublin was on TS today and said that Cleverley himself  phoned Lambert very late on Monday stating that he wants to sign and  play football in the premier league rather then see out his contract at United and that's when the deal was back on.

[hipkiss92]

What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.

Probably helps Neville never had any real reason to leave his boyhood club.

[Chris Jameson]

Paul Scholes never had an agent. That really held him back.

[OCD]

What did Naismith do? I know Gary Neville always used to act as his own agent as he didn't like the type of people it attracts. Although like anything, there must be good one's and bad one's with the bad one's giving the industry a bad name. I have more time for ex-pro's that go into it like Cyrille Regis.

Sorry, Naismith did nothing as regards agents but has bought season tickets for unemployed Everton fans to share this season and last Christmas donated money for homeless people to have a Christmas lunch 

It was good to do that. Players have a certain image but I would imagine that a good number do charitable work that never gets publicised. How much time do our players spend at Acorns? I think some of them visit quite regularly. For as bad as he was as a player, I think Stephen Ireland was there quite a bit. It's easy to categories ALL top earning players as greedy gits but everybody's unique. Some will live up to the image, some will be the complete opposite and the rest will be somewhere in between.

Re: Neville and Scholes - it's a fair point about them never having to negotiate a transfer away. Someone might have done it though.