Tom Cleverley - Loan Confirmed

[peter w]

As I thought, his opinion doesn't count.

I took him the holte when we played manure and the twit had a spiff before the game and when villa started singing you only live round the corner , he started to lose it .

he had a spliff and lost it? At worst I'd expect paranoia and thinking they were singing about him but I'd have thought he'd be too relaxed about the whole thing.

[tomd2103]

I've just remembered who he reminds me of. Chris Eagles.

I'd rather bring a striker on loan than yet another midfielder permanently.

Yet another midfielder?  We've only got Sanchez, Westwood, Delph and KEA now Gardner has gone out on loan.  We definitely need strengthening in that area. 

[Dave]

Remember the Belgian poster who said Benteke was shit when we signed him and at most he was worth a million?

There is a reason we pay to watch football rather than get paid to be coaches, scouts etc. We as fans don't actually know as much as we like to think we do. We'll also have massively differing opinions on the same player even when faced with the same evidence.

I don't imagine proper coaches and managers are much different. 

Proper coaches and managers still fuck up.

A proper manager thought that to clinch our place in the Champions League we should buy Emile Heskey and a completely different proper manager thought we should give a £50k per week, 5 year contract to a 35 year old.

Cleverly might be a very good signing for us or somebody else, but it won't be because it's a proper manager making the decision to sign him rather than some random bloke on the street.

[Seb_AVFC]

Remember the Belgian poster who said Benteke was shit when we signed him and at most he was worth a million?

There is a reason we pay to watch football rather than get paid to be coaches, scouts etc. We as fans don't actually know as much as we like to think we do. We'll also have massively differing opinions on the same player even when faced with the same evidence.

I don't imagine proper coaches and managers are much different. 

Proper coaches and managers still fuck up.

A proper manager thought that to clinch our place in the Champions League we should buy Emile Heskey and a completely different proper manager thought we should give a £50k per week, 5 year contract to a 35 year old.

Cleverly might be a very good signing for us or somebody else, but it won't be because it's a proper manager making the decision to sign him rather than some random bloke on the street.

I still stick to that one. Benteke was a hit and miss in the Belgian league before we bought him.

[kippaxvilla2]

Ryu.. Your too sensible mate.

I've just got this thing where I'd rather choose to feel optimistic when (potentially) signing a new player.  Who knows how it will work out?  Who knows what formation Lambert plans to play when Benteke is back?  Anyway, all this misery is ruining my good mood.  I'm going to the county cricket thread and hopefully watch the bears polish off Essex

I've got nothing against him.  But if its true and I am increasingly thinking it isn't we simply don't need him.  He's another non attacking midfielder we don't need another it's that simple.  Especially when money is so allegedly sparse.

[old man villa fan]

I would have been interested to read this thread if this new broke before last nights match.  Would the comments have been different.  Overall opinions as to good, not good would possibly have been the same but the hyperbole would have been nowhere near.

Like other more moderate views I think that he is a better player than most of our midfield players but could the money be better spent elsewhere.  In the current market £8m is not much for a midfield player with his experience but looks high to us based on what we have been used to spending.

Some people only look at creativity as being somebody that can pass.  What we do lack are midfield players that can get beyond the forwards into those dangerous positions where they can create chances from or score themselves.  Delph has managed it a couple of times in a season and a half but when he did we really looked as though we could play.

When Cleverley was out on loan and when he first got into the United team he looked as though he had this in his play.  More recently at United he has been played deeper and unless you are a very good passer both short and long you look very average.  Like us, the United fans want somebody to blame when things are not going well and Cleverley is an easy target because he is not a Scholes. a Keane or a Beckham.

We cannot afford to go through the season with the midfield players we have as we will pick up injuries, suspensions and loss of form.  He might just be the right fit for the team compared with some of these so called 'ball players' that have often been mentioned on here and nearer to our budget.  However, I would rather the manager concentrate on trying to get at least one skilful forward first.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

I think Vlaar is involved in this. Was Vlaar really injured last night ? There might also be another Man u player involved ?

[The Laughing Policeman]

FFS. What's wrong with you lot going off on one over a rumour?
At least wait and see if we sign the lad and then give him a few games for us before you start slagging him off.

[dave shelley]

Do you know this or is it just a feeling you have?

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

Just a theory which makes sense ........

[silhillvilla]

I think Vlaar is involved in this. Was Vlaar really injured last night ? There might also be another Man u player involved ?

Johnny Fucking Evans probably.

[dave.woodhall]

Just a theory which makes sense ........

Based on a player being rested for a League Cup tie.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......

[dave.woodhall]

Based on the fact that Vlaar has probably had more "rest" than any other player ......

You've lost me there.

[curiousorange]

One thing which bothers me about this, notwithstanding my own opinion on Cleverley, is that all of a sudden, we have £8 million, apparently. Is this panic buying, with Lambert having to spend all summer prising Randy's wallet open, or has there always been a semi-decent budget? In which case, I'd wonder how many other decent midfielders we could have gone for for around the same price?