Philippe Senderos

[pauliewalnuts]

His lack of any sort of pace is his Achilles heel. As mentioned by others if he's sort of our 5th choice CB we shouldn't see much of him
Vlaar>Okore>Clark>Baker>Senderos / Donacien

So you have a full international playing at the WC behind Baker and Clark. Right...

Clark is also a full international.

Playing at the World Cup?

I'm not sure the "playing at the world cup" thing is really that meaningful, especially when you're from a country with a population of 7m.

[silhillvilla]

All ifs and buts at this stage . If vlaar leaves and Senderos is seen as his full on replacement then we could be in trouble.

And if Vlaar stays, Okore comes back and is healthy and Senderos is a back up then we are better than last season at that position. Why only consider the negative or pessimistic scenario?

It may come across as pessimistic but I'm trying to be more realistic . Vlaar is likely to leave either this summer or next on a freebie . We clearly took the cheaper option in Senderos over Lescott . Okore I've seen very little of so he could go either way. Baker may still improve as May Clark but it's looking unlikely .

[paul_e]

All ifs and buts at this stage . If vlaar leaves and Senderos is seen as his full on replacement then we could be in trouble.

And if Vlaar stays, Okore comes back and is healthy and Senderos is a back up then we are better than last season at that position. Why only consider the negative or pessimistic scenario?

It may come across as pessimistic but I'm trying to be more realistic . Vlaar is likely to leave either this summer or next on a freebie . We clearly took the cheaper option in Senderos over Lescott . Okore I've seen very little of so he could go either way. Baker may still improve as May Clark but it's looking unlikely .

Why is Vlaar likely to leave?  You're entire point is based around that but why is it more likely than him thinking that a takeover will happen before long and the club will almost certainly be looking to spend big and push up the league so he might as well join on the ground floor and sign a new deal.

Aside from that it's not clear why we went for Senderos instead of Lescott, there are 3-4 reasons this thread.

You are being negative, wrapping negativity up as 'realism' is a personal pet peeve of mine, you see it on football forums all the time as if anyone who thinks everything isn't completely shit all the time is living in the clouds, the realistic view point is to aim somewhere in the middle.

[Malandro]

All ifs and buts at this stage . If vlaar leaves and Senderos is seen as his full on replacement then we could be in trouble.

And if Vlaar stays, Okore comes back and is healthy and Senderos is a back up then we are better than last season at that position. Why only consider the negative or pessimistic scenario?

It may come across as pessimistic but I'm trying to be more realistic . Vlaar is likely to leave either this summer or next on a freebie . We clearly took the cheaper option in Senderos over Lescott . Okore I've seen very little of so he could go either way. Baker may still improve as May Clark but it's looking unlikely .

Why is Vlaar likely to leave?  You're entire point is based around that but why is it more likely than him thinking that a takeover will happen before long and the club will almost certainly be looking to spend big and push up the league so he might as well join on the ground floor and sign a new deal.

Aside from that it's not clear why we went for Senderos instead of Lescott, there are 3-4 reasons this thread.

You are being negative, wrapping negativity up as 'realism' is a personal pet peeve of mine, you see it on football forums all the time as if anyone who thinks everything isn't completely shit all the time is living in the clouds, the realistic view point is to aim somewhere in the middle.

Taking all things into consideration, the somewhere in the middle view point, would be that Aston Villa is in a big mess

[silhillvilla]

As a ST holder having endured the last 4 seasons it's probably made my view negative. But it's reality and it may well get worse before it gets better. The club is in a very precarious position. We can only hope the takeover happens soon and the new owners are loaded and have the clubs best interests at heart.

[Steve67]

As a ST holder having endured the last 4 seasons it's probably made my view negative. But it's reality and it may well get worse before it gets better. The club is in a very precarious position. We can only hope the takeover happens soon and the new owners are loaded and have the clubs best interests at heart.

Being loaded would be a bonus.  But being able to put into place a sustainable business plan and make sensible decisions is much more important for me.  Someone who wouldn't appoint the likes of TSM for a start.  Someone who has something of a track record in the sports club industry would also be helpful.  I honestly think that the right owner and the right Manager would be just as good, for me, than someone who is loaded.  I would be happy with a slower and steadier build.

[silhillvilla]

I'd be happier with a more sustainable approach. Just to compete at an upper mid table level for 2 or 3 years with some decent football being played and a few cup runs would be a good start.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

This worries me:

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/11234/Show/Philippe-Senderos

Philippe Senderos' Characteristics
+ Strengths
(Player has no significant strengths)
- Weaknesses
Aerial Duels
Weak
Tackling
Weak
Philippe Senderos's Style of Play
Likes to play short passes
Does not dive into tackles

[Toronto Villa]

Why does that worry you? It's just some random website opinion.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

It worries me when a central defender is weak in aerial duels and tackling, these skills being pretty crucial in that position.

It's actually a football statistics website, I don't know their methodology, but they do purport to use statistical analysis, rather than just opinion.

[SoccerHQ]

Senderos was a regular part of a Fulham defence that conceded even more goals than we did last season. That worries me.

[Toronto Villa]

I doubt he has been brought in to be a starter with us.

[pauliewalnuts]

It'll be ace if we ever get round to signing players who can be considered starters for us.

It'll be just like old times, when they use to wheel out that "proud history" bullshit, when we used to show a bit of ambition, before it all got so unambitious and embarassing that they wouldn't even have the balls to roll out something like that any more.

[silhillvilla]

Senderos was a regular part of a Fulham defence that conceded even more goals than we did last season. That worries me.

Slap.
Comments like that are not welcomed. Please think of something positive about Swiss Phil and post that.

[silhillvilla]

Senderos and Djourou’s nightmare performance can be highlighted by Opta Stats.

    Team   Pos   Won Tackle   Duel Won   Fouls   Interception Won   Outfielder Block   Effective Clearance   Error Lead To Goal   Apps   Mins
Johan Djourou   Switzerland   DF   0   0   2   1   2   4   0   1   90
Philippe Senderos   Switzerland   DF   0   0   0   0   1   2   1   1   81
As per the table, current Aston Villa defender Senderos failed to win a single tackle, 50/50 or register an interception of any kind. His most notable contribution was one block, two clearances and committing an error which led to a French goal.