Philippe Senderos

[Toronto Villa]

I know he made an individual error for the 4th goal but he didn't do a lot wrong for most of the game. France were superb coming forward and they were pulling all of the Swiss players out of position. The Swiss midfield which has a couple of very decent players were overrun. To me he looked ok, nothing overwhelmingly to get excited about but certainly nothing that should cause anyone to be overly critical. Vlaar and Okore will start and Senderos is most certainly an upgrade on Clark and Baker.

[Merv]

being disappointed when it's announced is fine, still slagging him off 2 weeks later is going too far for me.

I genuinely think it's really no big deal, it's hardly unusual, it's the summer, we've got nothing AVFC related to talk about for a while (we're not even looking for a new manager, for a change), people are obviously going to talk about him.

He's probably hardly been discussed the last week or so anyway, it's just that we've seen him play tonight which has brought him back to discussion.

I made a few comments when he slashed wildly at the ball and France scored, on here and on twitter, but I'm not judging Senderos on that, it's one match.

There was the usual flak flying around on Twitter about him. Didn't know you were on Twitter, Paulie?

[Ron Manager]

For Aston Villa (and England, for that matter) nothing seems to be going right. I wonder how many have renewed their season tickets?

In fact West Midlands football (Wolves apart) is in a terrible state. Those who turn up week in week out and pay their hard earned money deverve a medal.

[Matt Collins]

There's obviously a risk Vlaar attracts suitors. But he's not a Man United player. And it doesn't look to me that there's been a deal lined up, he's still talking about being a villa player next year, eg:

The club captain said in the Birmingham Mail: "I don't know him (Keane) as a person, I know him as a player.

"He has a lot of fighting spirit, and I think that would be really good for us.

"He's a very strong character. I think everybody has a lot of respect for him and I look forward to it."

[john e]

I was in favour of the Senderous signing, thought he'd be a decent acquisition with experience, so I have never been negative about him at all,
but you have to say what you see, and I admit he did look dodgy last night

 it wasn't a little mistake that you can turn a blind eye to, it was a whopper, which cost his team another goal,
If Baker did that he would be slaughtered not excused, if that's the player that turns up we won't be any further forward

Still hoping though

[eamonn]

I'm all for giving players a chance and willing them to do well in a Villa shirt (incidentally, not had chance or inclination to wade through new kit thread but are the Macron men on the shoulders absent this time? Nice one if so) but the optimistic Senderos posts reminds me of the sadly missed Mark Fletcher's bug-bear about how our opinions on players hitherto agreed upon as being utter tripe (cf. our Marlon), suddenly being elevated into being actually pretty decent and better than what we have as soon as we sign them.

[Brend'Watkins]

For Aston Villa (and England, for that matter) nothing seems to be going right. I wonder how many have renewed their season tickets?

In fact West Midlands football (Wolves apart) is in a terrible state. Those who turn up week in week out and pay their hard earned money deverve a medal.

It's called supporting your club. Lots of people do it all over the country. We're not unique.

[TopDeck113]

Whilst not inspired, I'll judge him on his performances in a Villa shirt. 

And let's not forget that all defences can have a bad day at the office regardless of the calibre of the individuals.  I've seen the Villa concede fours and fives with Paul McGrath in the centre... 

[kippaxvilla2]

Is he really going to be a squad player?  There must be a big chance of Vlaar being sold after the World Cup when he is at the top of his value.

If be delighted to be proved wrong.  Okore and Vlaar would be a great pairing.

[Bad English]

I'm as fickle as fuck: he's wank.

[supertom]

I'm as fickle as fuck: he's wank.

I'm still in the "at least he's not Baker" camp as well as the "it's okay, Okore is the new McGrath" camp.

[Toronto Villa]

I don't think he's wank. He's an average PL standard CB. There are better there are worse. I just don't see the need to be slagging him. He'll be judged in time when he plays for us.

[Monty]

I'm going wild with my prediction: he'll have some good games and some bad games.

[john e]

We all want him to be good,
most of us don't want to slag him of before he's even played a match for us,

but it is difficult when he's performing like a clown in his very first game since his signing
And I was someone who was very positive about both our signings at the time

Last night didn't do him any favours, and that's just saying it as you see it

[Toronto Villa]

I'm going wild with my prediction: he'll have some good games and some bad games.

I will take it a step further and say he'll do some things that make us think we got a steal and in the same game make us throw a teacup at the wall in anger and bewilderment. But mainly he'll be decent.