Philippe Senderos

[Holte Sweet]

Yes sir. Will there be lines for that?
I must not slag off Philip Senderos 100 times?

[pauliewalnuts]

being disappointed when it's announced is fine, still slagging him off 2 weeks later is going too far for me.

I genuinely think it's really no big deal, it's hardly unusual, it's the summer, we've got nothing AVFC related to talk about for a while (we're not even looking for a new manager, for a change), people are obviously going to talk about him.

He's probably hardly been discussed the last week or so anyway, it's just that we've seen him play tonight which has brought him back to discussion.

I made a few comments when he slashed wildly at the ball and France scored, on here and on twitter, but I'm not judging Senderos on that, it's one match.

[silhillvilla]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

[dave.woodhall]

Yes sir. Will there be lines for that?
I must not slag off Philip Senderos 100 times?

If you like. But when your every post is dedicated to slagging a player don't be surprised when your own inability to spell a five letter word correctly is pointed out.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

jesus, that really is a load of old nonsense.

Desperate to see our home grown lads fail?

How about "tired of seeing them fail,  almost week in, week out for two seasons"?

[Steve67]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

I disagree with this mate. Having played well over a hundred games between them for Villa, one might have expected some progression. However, neither are premier league quality. In fact, Clark seems to have gone backwards. Possibly down to crap coaching mind!

[Holte Sweet]

Sounds rather petty.But whatever floats your boat.

[silhillvilla]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

jesus, that really is a load of old nonsense.

Desperate to see our home grown lads fail?

How about "tired of seeing them fail,  almost week in, week out for two seasons"?

Yes but they could be decent if they didn't have crap like KEA, Westwood, Albrighton and Weimann in front of them.
Why we've signed senderos is not logical unless he knows vlaar is gone already .

[atomicjam]

You never know, he might do alright for us. I just do not understand why some people need to begin their conversation on a new player with 'he is shit' 'it's a new low' 'how far have we sunk' stuff. We have not signed me, with my increasing wobbly 43 year old belly. We have signed an experienced defender who has had many good performances in his career and no doubt some not so good. I do not pretend to have a great knowledge of his career, I forget Villa games and players in the instance I leave the ground, but please can we at least give him as chance to fuck things up before we decide he is crap.

[Holte Sweet]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

jesus, that really is a load of old nonsense.

Desperate to see our home grown lads fail?

How about "tired of seeing them fail,  almost week in, week out for two seasons"?

Yes but they could be decent if they didn't have crap like KEA, Westwood, Albrighton and Weimann in front of them.
Why we've signed senderos is not logical unless he knows vlaar is gone already .



That is the logical conclusion.It is also what is so worrying.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

jesus, that really is a load of old nonsense.

Desperate to see our home grown lads fail?

How about "tired of seeing them fail,  almost week in, week out for two seasons"?

Yes but they could be decent if they didn't have crap like KEA, Westwood, Albrighton and Weimann in front of them.
Why we've signed senderos is not logical unless he knows vlaar is gone already .

Honestly, I struggle to think of any combination of midfielders you could put in front of Baker and Clark and make them look good enough.

They've proven themselves to be not up to it, to suggest it is some sort of desire to see the local lads fail is to totally ignore what we've seen on the pitch.

[pauliewalnuts]

You never know, he might do alright for us. I just do not understand why some people need to begin their conversation on a new player with 'he is shit' 'it's a new low' 'how far have we sunk' stuff. We have not signed me, with my increasing wobbly 43 year old belly.

..... not yet. Window doesn't close till the end of August.

[Somniloquism]

I think to put him above Clark and Baker is wishful thinking and quite disrespectful to our own home grown lads. Some people seem desperate to see these two fail.

jesus, that really is a load of old nonsense.

Desperate to see our home grown lads fail?

How about "tired of seeing them fail,  almost week in, week out for two seasons"?

Yes but they could be decent if they didn't have crap like KEA, Westwood, Albrighton and Weimann in front of them.
Why we've signed senderos is not logical unless he knows vlaar is gone already .

So deciding a bit more experience at the back is not logical, so we must have sold Vlaar. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that if I could be arsed going through your posts, there would be plenty slagging Ron off as well as not good enough so wouldn't it be a like for like swap?

[adrenachrome]

I am confident that PL's original plan was to play a high defensive line and pressure the ball high up the pitch. This is based largely on comments he made at the time he signed Okore and Bacuna. In fact, it was Okore's speed at getting back to quell a danger which led to his injury.

I posted at the time that this was a massive blow, but I did not realise it was worse even than I thought.  Clark is a decent footballer, but no centre half, and Baker had the makings of decent CH before PL programmed him to go into Kamikaze mode. Neither of them have pace.     

In that sense, I doubt Senderos will be first choice, but a setback or two and there it is. Lying deep, 3 centre halves because the full backs can't defend, no DCM who can impose on the game (or even tackle)  and provide cover to the centre of defence,  Kamikaze tackles and the hoof.

To be honest, it is probably utopian to be even talking about the original plan given what has happened since. 

[Clark W Griswold]

I'm definately in the 'give him a chance as a Villa player before we slag off' camp, but he is now a Villa player, he played a competitive game for his country tonight and had a moment that reminded us of Collins/Baker/Davies etc so people are entitled to say 'crikey he looked a bit shit there' without everyone jumping down their throat.

With regards to Baker/Clark being good and it's all the midfielders fault they look shit, thats total bollox. They are shit, they've always been shit, they always will be shit, and have had plenty of chances. IMHO of course :-)