Philippe Senderos

[PeterWithesShin]

Who or what is a hes?

[Bad English]

If you say so silhillvilla. Just don't whinge that "it's a forum why are people arguing with me...?" when a few posters question your comments.

[hilts_coolerking]

I thought he was a hapless clown at Arsenal.  I can't change that opinion simply because he's signed a contract with the Villa.  So it's up to him to prove to everyone that he really is a good defender.  If he does that then I'll be the first to sing his praises.

[Holte Sweet]

I wouldn't burn it.The effigy may have better positional sence than the real thing.

[silhillvilla]

If you say so silhillvilla. Just don't whinge that "it's a forum why are people arguing with me...?" when a few posters question your comments.

Spot on BE. I hope I'm shot down in flames.

[dave.woodhall]

I wouldn't burn it.The effigy may have better positional sence than the real thing.

Do you mean 'sense'?

[pauliewalnuts]

I thought he was a hapless clown at Arsenal.  I can't change that opinion simply because he's signed a contract with the Villa.  So it's up to him to prove to everyone that he really is a good defender.  If he does that then I'll be the first to sing his praises.

I think he's pretty rubbish, too, but he's probably less rubbish than Baker and Clark.

Which is nice, but I can't help but think it represents tackling a problem which is way down the list whilst others go unchallenged.

I don't get this "ignore everything they've done previously" when talking about players we sign, though. Managers don't do that - that's why they sign them in the first place - but we somehow should?

Giving the bloke endless abuse I understand is utterly pointless, but it's not like there's some sort of "reset" button that gets flicked when we sign players.

Why, for example, when we sign players of whom everyone approves, don't we have people saying "ignore what he's done before, all his success, that doesn't matter, it's about what he does for us that counts"?

[paul_e]

I thought he was a hapless clown at Arsenal.  I can't change that opinion simply because he's signed a contract with the Villa.  So it's up to him to prove to everyone that he really is a good defender.  If he does that then I'll be the first to sing his praises.

Withholding praise until it's earned isn't the same as expecting him to be shit which is the line a few on here are taking.

[Holte Sweet]

As in common yes.

[pauliewalnuts]

I thought he was a hapless clown at Arsenal.  I can't change that opinion simply because he's signed a contract with the Villa.  So it's up to him to prove to everyone that he really is a good defender.  If he does that then I'll be the first to sing his praises.

Withholding praise until it's earned isn't the same as expecting him to be shit which is the line a few on here are taking.

Isn't it just normal for people to have an opinion on players, though? Good or bad?

"We've signed Kompany, I expect he'll turn out to be a great player for us"
"We've signed Senderos, I expect he'll turn out to be a poor player for us"

Both are based on what people have seen of a player.

[hilts_coolerking]

Withholding praise until it's earned isn't the same as expecting him to be shit which is the line a few on here are taking.

I think it's fair enough to expect that.  There's plenty of evidence to support that view.  If, using your skill and judgment, you think it's going to be different this time that's fine too.

[hilts_coolerking]

I think he's pretty rubbish, too, but he's probably less rubbish than Baker and Clark.

Put it this way, I'd be happier to see him coming on, in the event of injury, than Baker.  But, as you say, it remains to be seen whether that is all that will be required of him.

[paul_e]

being disappointed when it's announced is fine, still slagging him off 2 weeks later is going too far for me.

[dave.woodhall]

As in common yes.

Try to spell it correctly then.

[PaulWinch again]

He's better than Baker, therefore it's an improvement on him playing every week.