Philippe Senderos

[paul_e]

You almost seem to want him to fail, which is strange. Why not give him a chance, he's Villa now.

Of course not, just a depressing signing . He's not PL level.
Be honest with yourself, he isn't is he.

He's played at premier league or equivalent level for his entire career, of course he's premier league level, not top 6 but that's just not our market.  I couldn't care less about last season at Fulham, that whole club was rotten last year, no one came out of it looking good, and they had people with much bigger reputations.

Lets see how he gets on next year, and how we use him, before slating him as one of our worst signings ever.

[dave.woodhall]

A Villa squad player - not even a first teamer, a squad player - made a mistake in a World Cup finals game. How low....etc.

[silhillvilla]

not even a first teamer, a squad player

You hope.

[pauliewalnuts]

A Villa squad player - not even a first teamer, a squad player - made a mistake in a World Cup finals game. How low....etc.

I agree with you in that there's no point in going over the top, but I wouldn't be so sure about him being a squad player or not a first teamer just yet. Not until we see what we're left with by the time the season starts.

[Holte Sweet]

This guy has been crap for years but now he is a Villa player we should all support him and reserve judgement have I got that right?

Paul McGrath was a world class defender if he made the number of errors this guy makes there might have been a point to your point.

[Richard E]

This guy has been crap for years but now he is a Villa player we should all support him and reserve judgement have I got that right?

Yes, that's exactly what we should do.

[paul_e]

This guy has been crap for years but now he is a Villa player we should all support him and reserve judgement have I got that right?

Paul McGrath was a world class defender if he made the number of errors this guy makes there might have been a point to your point.

Given the alternative is to slag our own player off before he's kicked a ball then yes, you've got it absolutely right.  I wouldn't have signed him, but slagging him off like he has been on this thread is ridiculous.

[ChicagoLion]

Transfers tend to give you a reading of where we are as a club at that moment.

Senderos is a pretty uninspiring signing because he really is not very good, not even sure he is an improvement on Baker or Clark.

[pauliewalnuts]

Transfers tend to give you a reading of where we are as a club at that moment.

Senderos is a pretty uninspiring signing because he really is not very good, not even sure he is an improvement on Baker or Clark.

I think he's better than those two, probably.

I don't have an issue with this type of signing, so long as it is accompanied by a sufficient number of the more ambitious signings we need to make. Slightly improving our options or squad players isn't going to improve things enough, nothing like enough. We need major improvement to starters in several places.

If we can do that, then we will be ok.

The question is whether we will actually do that.

It worries me that Albion have found the cash for Lescott but we haven't, however, I can understand the logic that says we consider Okore and Vlaar likely to be our starting CB partnership, and then have Senderos, Clark and Baker (unless we move one on) as back ups. That logic says that Lescott on top would not really make sense, so i totally get that.

I just hope that this means wage money is being freed up to considerably improve us elsewhere. Who, for example, is going to be our "starting" left back next year? Or right back, for that matter?

What are we going to add in midfield? If Cole is an option, then fine. If Cole is the answer, then that's considerably less fine.

We'll find out this in due course, but I think at the moment people are rightly nervous that it's not going to happen.

[PeterWithesShin]

This guy has been crap for years but now he is a Villa player we should all support him and reserve judgement have I got that right?

You're right, I was wrong. We shouldn't support a Villa player, especially one who has never kicked a ball for us, and we shouldn't judge him on what he does for us.

Senderos out!

I'm off to VP to burn an effigy of Philippe in front of the North Stand gates. Who is with me?

[bertlambshank]

He might be a bit of a clown but he is our clown.

[Bad English]

You almost seem to want him to fail, which is strange. Why not give him a chance, he's Villa now.

Of course not, just a depressing signing . He's not PL level.
Be honest with yourself, he isn't is he.

He's not my first choice and I was hardly popping open the champers when he signed, but I will judge him on what he does in a Villa shirt. Surely that's the best thing to do?

Yes. But this is an open forum for debate isn't it ? ...
That's the whole point of having forums like this isn't it ?
All views are welcomed and open to debate.

Why do you feel the need to say this? You have given your opinion and I and others have given other opinions. We are doing the forum thing.

When you get all defensive like that, you lose. ;-)

[Holte Sweet]

Sounds sensible.Cant wait

[silhillvilla]

You almost seem to want him to fail, which is strange. Why not give him a chance, he's Villa now.

Of course not, just a depressing signing . He's not PL level.
Be honest with yourself, he isn't is he.

He's not my first choice and I was hardly popping open the champers when he signed, but I will judge him on what he does in a Villa shirt. Surely that's the best thing to do?

Yes. But this is an open forum for debate isn't it ? ...
That's the whole point of having forums like this isn't it ?
All views are welcomed and open to debate.

Why do you feel the need to say this? You have given your opinion and I and others have given other opinions. We are doing the forum thing.

When you get all defensive like that, you lose. ;-)

Not really.
15 all.

[Holte Sweet]

Bloody hell now hes burning effigies.