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[saunders_heroes]

I'm asking for you to provide proof of the allegations you made. If you can't - which you won't be able to because such proof doesn't exist - an apology would be nice. I didn't "twist" your words, I quoted them back to you exactly as you said them. Fergal was banned, as well you had the opportunity to find out, for reasons which had nothing to do with any argument with me on here, although it's ironic that you mention him as you, he and a third party all said much the same to me at the same time - how's that for the ganging up you find so reprehensible? The mods, presumably, "leapt to my defence" or to put it another way agreed with me because they wanted a false claim to be dismissed.

What I actually said was, "I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is" and what you claimed I said was, "I can't stand anyone that disagrees with me". So you twisted my words, Dave. Don't try and deny it. Any chance of an apology for that?
As for the rest, I haven't got a clue what you're on about. All I know is that Fergal had an internet row with you and he ended up banned. And there's been others as well -  Risso springs to mind. He's another one that took opposite views to you and he's gone the way of the dodo also.

Oh and how come either you or any of your mod team never said anything to PWS for his underhand threat to me the other week? I wonder if you would have been so silent if the boot was on the other foot?

[saunders_heroes]

If I was sad enough to trawl through your posts and blogs on the internet I bet I wouldn't find much criticism of Lerner and co. I bet I'd find lots of smarmy sarcastic comments and banning of people who disagreed with you though.

The "banning people who disagree" thing is the one thing that pisses mods off, and that's because it is so far from the truth it's actually offensively incorrect.

My views, for example, aren't that different from yours, so why would I have any truck with banning anyone whose views were largely the same of mine (the difference being the way we communicate them / interpret them) because of their views?

I don't even agree with Dave W on a lot of issues myself, and if you look at the moderators here, there's a pretty wide range of view points, so the suggestion that there are bannings for in some way being different is way off mark.

Can you even suggest me one person who has been "banned for disagreeing"? A single one?

How about Fergal? It does seem that many long term posters who disagree with pro Lerner stance of Dave and co seem to have gone the way of the dodo. Risso is another, and there have been others, but their names escape me at the moment.

[pauliewalnuts]

If I was sad enough to trawl through your posts and blogs on the internet I bet I wouldn't find much criticism of Lerner and co. I bet I'd find lots of smarmy sarcastic comments and banning of people who disagreed with you though.

The "banning people who disagree" thing is the one thing that pisses mods off, and that's because it is so far from the truth it's actually offensively incorrect.

My views, for example, aren't that different from yours, so why would I have any truck with banning anyone whose views were largely the same of mine (the difference being the way we communicate them / interpret them) because of their views?

I don't even agree with Dave W on a lot of issues myself, and if you look at the moderators here, there's a pretty wide range of view points, so the suggestion that there are bannings for in some way being different is way off mark.

Can you even suggest me one person who has been "banned for disagreeing"? A single one?

How about Fergal? It does seem that many long term posters who disagree with pro Lerner stance of Dave and co seem to have gone the way of the dodo. Risso is another, and there have been others, but their names escape me at the moment.

Risso posted the sort of rant that would get anyone banned, and clearly wanted "out".

At the time he got banned, I don't think his views were particularly out of kilter with anything you or I would post now, so to suggest it was because he disagreed or had a different opinion is wide of the mark.

[pauliewalnuts]

I have just PMed you re the other person you mentioned.

[pauliewalnuts]

Incideentally, you say

"the pro Lerner stance of Dave and co"

Who is "co" in this instance? If it's the moderators, I think you'd struggle to find much of a shared opinion on the subject there.

[Monty]

Richard Moore, quite correctly, remains unbanned. I think that rests the case, doesn't it? I wouldn't think of him as cuddling up to Lerner.

[dave shelley]

SH, from a purely neutral position in this debate may I just say that I know Fergal was banned for something that has absolutely nothing to do with an internet fall out with DW.  The reason I know this is, because I took the trouble to ask as was suggested by Dave when it was asked by another member had he been banned.  IIRC, Dave posted if anyone wishes to know why Fergal has been banned pm me.

[saunders_heroes]

Incideentally, you say

"the pro Lerner stance of Dave and co"

Who is "co" in this instance? If it's the moderators, I think you'd struggle to find much of a shared opinion on the subject there.

I don't know. I think I panicked.

[dave.woodhall]

I'm asking for you to provide proof of the allegations you made. If you can't - which you won't be able to because such proof doesn't exist - an apology would be nice. I didn't "twist" your words, I quoted them back to you exactly as you said them. Fergal was banned, as well you had the opportunity to find out, for reasons which had nothing to do with any argument with me on here, although it's ironic that you mention him as you, he and a third party all said much the same to me at the same time - how's that for the ganging up you find so reprehensible? The mods, presumably, "leapt to my defence" or to put it another way agreed with me because they wanted a false claim to be dismissed.

What I actually said was, "I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is" and what you claimed I said was, "I can't stand anyone that disagrees with me". So you twisted my words, Dave. Don't try and deny it. Any chance of an apology for that?
As for the rest, I haven't got a clue what you're on about. All I know is that Fergal had an internet row with you and he ended up banned. And there's been others as well -  Risso springs to mind. He's another one that took opposite views to you and he's gone the way of the dodo also.

Oh and how come either you or any of your mod team never said anything to PWS for his underhand threat to me the other week? I wonder if you would have been so silent if the boot was on the other foot?

You've just said yourself - you can't stand anyone who disagrees with you. You've also been told why others were banned and so far nobody, mods or anyone else, has agreed with you.

[pauliewalnuts]

I've got an ace idea.

Let's all hug this out and go about enjoying what's lest of the weekend.

Villa aren't playing, so we can't lose, so that's one source of misery sorted straight away. We're unlikely to get sold in the next 24 hours, either.

Screw it, I'm going to watch nordic crime drama and drink wine for the rest of the evening.

[mr underhill]

Wallander?

[kippaxvilla2]

Has anyone ever been banned for agreeing with the mods too much.

[dave.woodhall]

Has anyone ever been banned for agreeing with the mods too much.

Darren Wooley.

[saunders_heroes]

I'm asking for you to provide proof of the allegations you made. If you can't - which you won't be able to because such proof doesn't exist - an apology would be nice. I didn't "twist" your words, I quoted them back to you exactly as you said them. Fergal was banned, as well you had the opportunity to find out, for reasons which had nothing to do with any argument with me on here, although it's ironic that you mention him as you, he and a third party all said much the same to me at the same time - how's that for the ganging up you find so reprehensible? The mods, presumably, "leapt to my defence" or to put it another way agreed with me because they wanted a false claim to be dismissed.

What I actually said was, "I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is" and what you claimed I said was, "I can't stand anyone that disagrees with me". So you twisted my words, Dave. Don't try and deny it. Any chance of an apology for that?
As for the rest, I haven't got a clue what you're on about. All I know is that Fergal had an internet row with you and he ended up banned. And there's been others as well -  Risso springs to mind. He's another one that took opposite views to you and he's gone the way of the dodo also.

Oh and how come either you or any of your mod team never said anything to PWS for his underhand threat to me the other week? I wonder if you would have been so silent if the boot was on the other foot?

You've just said yourself - you can't stand anyone who disagrees with you. You've also been told why others were banned and so far nobody, mods or anyone else, has agreed with you.

There's plenty who'd agree with me but you've probably banned most of them.

[Herman]

Guys guys, look at us, squabbling, bickering, like children. What's happening to us? We never used to be like this.