Albrighton Going to Leicester

[saunders_heroes]

That was a cheap shot Chris comparing me and other older fans with comedy Monty Python characters.  I and other long standing supporters have earned the right to make demands upon the club.   I have no problem with other fans wanting to present Lambert in a favourable light.   What I do have a very big problem with is the conviction that I have that the acceptance of Lambert has come about from the insidious peddling of the heresy that the diminution of the fans expectations is a positive and praiseworthy accomplishment.   It is neither, it is negative and shameful.   As I have said several times of late, in the troughs of relegation and despair we experienced in the past we always believed we would rise again and the club encouraged us to believe it.   We did rise again.   This time we are not encouraged to believe we will rise again we are told that we must hope for us not to be quite as bad as we were.   That way the club does not have to spend very much, a manager who does not deliver anything much can be considered competent and the fans once brainwashed pay to come to the games regardless of the results.   It is what a bookmaker would call a round book.   Win, win, win.
We have had to swallow some bitter pills over the years but none as big and as bitter as this present one they are trying to force through our clenched teeth that Villa is a mediocre club with mediocre expectations.   I shall not stop going to games at Christmas if Lambert is still there because of Lambert, I have seen plenty of crap managers of Aston Villa, I shall stop going because it will mean that the lies about what we are and what we can dream of are still being peddled as truth.

You tell 'em, Brian. The club have desperately tried to lower our expectations these last few years and so many fans have fallen for it.
I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is. The club is in a mess from top to bottom and it's all self inflicted by the man at the top, but don't dare to criticise because you'll get the usual apologists who'll jump to the club's defence no matter what state the club is in and shout out that clichéd buzzword "hyperbole" in an attempt to discredit you.
Keep on posting, Brian.

You can't stand anyone who disagrees with you. You said it.

Neither can you, Dave. In fact you hate it.

If that's the case, how about you going through every post I've made, in fact every word I've written, anywhere, at any time, and finding some evidence?

If I was sad enough to trawl through your posts and blogs on the internet I bet I wouldn't find much criticism of Lerner and co. I bet I'd find lots of smarmy sarcastic comments and banning of people who disagreed with you though.

[dave.woodhall]

What was that I said about you abusing anyone who disagrees with you? Again, try to find evidence for your accusations, please.

[Ger Regan]

Name one single person who was banned solely because they disagreed with Dave, or any mod for that matter.

[Legion]

No-one on this site has ever been banned for disagreeing with a point of view.

[olaftab]

I do love the West Wing approach from Mods here. A rebuttal statement quickly enforced by two further supportive comments from  different sources. Nice.

[richard moore]

Name one single person who was banned solely because they disagreed with Dave, or any mod for that matter.

I can vouch from a lot of experience that it has never happened on H and V

[not3bad]

I would say things are getting too serious.  This is the holidays people. The Factory of Sadness has closed for the Summer.

[pauliewalnuts]

The Factory of Sadness has closed for the Summer.

Yep, those people can't hurt us anymore!

*punches the air in triumph*

[saunders_heroes]

What was that I said about you abusing anyone who disagrees with you? Again, try to find evidence for your accusations, please.

Depends what your definition of abuse is though. I've seen you call someone an idiot on here without any comeback and just the other week one of your mods issued a "come and say that to my face" Classic internet threat to me without any comeback from the mods on here. So there seems to be a bit of a grey area when it comes the definition of "abuse" on H&V.

[dave.woodhall]

What was that I said about you abusing anyone who disagrees with you? Again, try to find evidence for your accusations, please.

Depends what your definition of abuse is though. I've seen you call someone an idiot on here without any comeback and just the other week one of your mods issued a "come and say that to my face" Classic internet threat to me without any comeback from the mods on here. So there seems to be a bit of a grey area when it comes the definition of "abuse" on H&V.

Nice avoidance again, with bonus points for getting worked up about 'idiot' while avoiding other stuff that flies around. Still waiting for the evidence.

[saunders_heroes]

What was that I said about you abusing anyone who disagrees with you? Again, try to find evidence for your accusations, please.

Depends what your definition of abuse is though. I've seen you call someone an idiot on here without any comeback and just the other week one of your mods issued a "come and say that to my face" Classic internet threat to me without any comeback from the mods on here. So there seems to be a bit of a grey area when it comes the definition of "abuse" on H&V.

Nice avoidance again, with bonus points for getting worked up about 'idiot' while avoiding other stuff that flies around. Still waiting for the evidence.

What are you a judge or something? I didn't pull you up for twisting my words in my original post, but say anything back to you and you get all uppity and demand evidence. I remember Fergal being banned from here not so long ago after a row with you, so how do you explain that?
I've also noted how quick your fellow mods jumped to your defence in this thread, yet not a single one of them commented on PWS's underhand threat to me the other week. How about a bit of consistency?

[dave.woodhall]

I'm asking for you to provide proof of the allegations you made. If you can't - which you won't be able to because such proof doesn't exist - an apology would be nice. I didn't "twist" your words, I quoted them back to you exactly as you said them. Fergal was banned, as well you had the opportunity to find out, for reasons which had nothing to do with any argument with me on here, although it's ironic that you mention him as you, he and a third party all said much the same to me at the same time - how's that for the ganging up you find so reprehensible? The mods, presumably, "leapt to my defence" or to put it another way agreed with me because they wanted a false claim to be dismissed.

[Louzie0]

SH
I hope that you and Brian keep posting about the Villa because you are long term fans and followers of the club and clearly love it to bits.

I don't agree that anybody including Dave who sees a positive aspect to Randy's ownership is smarmy or wrong.  It's possible to be passionate and committed and post something different.
 I am hoping we get a good result from the sale announcement and have no idea when that will be, but it doesn't stop me or other posters on here from daring to dream!

[pauliewalnuts]

If I was sad enough to trawl through your posts and blogs on the internet I bet I wouldn't find much criticism of Lerner and co. I bet I'd find lots of smarmy sarcastic comments and banning of people who disagreed with you though.

The "banning people who disagree" thing is the one thing that pisses mods off, and that's because it is so far from the truth it's actually offensively incorrect.

My views, for example, aren't that different from yours, so why would I have any truck with banning anyone whose views were largely the same of mine (the difference being the way we communicate them / interpret them) because of their views?

I don't even agree with Dave W on a lot of issues myself, and if you look at the moderators here, there's a pretty wide range of view points, so the suggestion that there are bannings for in some way being different is way off mark.

Can you even suggest me one person who has been "banned for disagreeing"? A single one?

[silhillvilla]

Is anyone else concerned that Delph and vlaar will be gone this summer ?