Swansea City vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[JUAN PABLO]

We made Jonjo Shelvey look a class player - nuff said.

we will make Hull look like Atlético Madrid

[Steve R]

As odd as it seems, we are probably in a better position now than we were on Friday. Only Sunderland made any headway over the weekend, the rest are just plain running out of games. However, the fact that we will probably not get relegated is hardly the point. We played some decent football at times yesterday. The problem was we defended like crap, it really was bad. Without Benteke we are totally toothless in attack. When we ship goals we have a mountain to climb to get back in the game. We are back to looking like we will concede every time the ball gets near our penalty area.

The sad thing that it is more coaching and tactics that are the problem. Bertrand is starting to come in for criticism. In his first game he really did look like he knew what he was doing; a few wekks at Bodymoor Heath and all that competence seems to hav eseeped away.

We can bitch about our players, but in truth they are no worse than - and in many cases better than - the opponents they have been losing to. Baker is not a great player, but he is no more limited a player than his opposite numbers in the SWansea defence,  who were barely troubled on Saturday. If we were to give Venables a few weeks with that defence they would become tight enough.

Lambert has had a near impossible job assembling a squad of players from the mess we had at the end of McLeish's tenure. He's made a decent fist of it in truth. On the other hand Bodymoor Heath is a sgood a traiing ground as anywhere. He doesn't seem to have a clue what to do wih the place.

[silhillvilla]

Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us? 

the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.

Disagree
Delph v WBA
Delph v saints
Benteke v Norwich
Bacuna v Ci£y

you've made my point for me. Thank you

You're welcome. Almost forgot Westwood screamer at WBA too. Sublime strike

[Toronto Villa]

Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us? 

the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.

Disagree
Delph v WBA
Delph v saints
Benteke v Norwich
Bacuna v Ci£y

you've made my point for me. Thank you

You're welcome. Almost forgot Westwood screamer at WBA too. Sublime strike

You're missing the point. We scored far more exceptional team goals and individual goals and generally looked a far better attacking threat last year. The fact that we don't score as many, even simple goals has had an effect on everything else.

[pauliewalnuts]

Baker is an awful centre half.

He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.

If Baker were a horse, you'd want to shoot him to put him out of his misery.

He's terrible.

Thing is lots of people say he's ok for 4th choice, but even if he were 4th he still wouldn't be anywhere near good enough. The fact he's been first choice for most of the last two seasons is a disgrace.

I dislike Baker's shite performances as much anyone (trust me ) however, who has been giving him the shirt every week?

Lets not make him the scapegoat. He's a young guy out of his depth, what is he to do, refuse to play on the grounds that he is so shite?

The blame for the likes of Baker, Bennett & Weimann lies firmly at the feet of the person who selects this trash.

I can understand people going on about Baker, Weimann etc, as they're playing week after week, but, why do people keep putting Bennett in these lists? From the back end of last season and since he's come back from injury this season he's played pretty well.

He was awful against Fulham. I thought he was also awful most of last season.

Some of these players would do much better with more experienced players around them. Bennett just strikes me as rubbish though.

[Chris Jameson]

Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.

[Des Little]

Baker is an absolute disaster. How on earth he gets a game every week is beyond me. I'd put Clark in next week against Hull because the idea of Baker stumbling all over Shane Long every 5 minutes is making my blood run cold. Do him and us a favour and drop the bloke. Please.

[martin o`who??]

We made Jonjo Shelvey look a class player - nuff said.

we will make Hull look like Atlético Madrid

The maddening thing is your right.

[Rudy65]

Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.

Down to a lack of alternatives

[Rudy65]

As odd as it seems, we are probably in a better position now than we were on Friday. Only Sunderland made any headway over the weekend, the rest are just plain running out of games. However, the fact that we will probably not get relegated is hardly the point. We played some decent football at times yesterday. The problem was we defended like crap, it really was bad. Without Benteke we are totally toothless in attack. When we ship goals we have a mountain to climb to get back in the game. We are back to looking like we will concede every time the ball gets near our penalty area.

The sad thing that it is more coaching and tactics that are the problem. Bertrand is starting to come in for criticism. In his first game he really did look like he knew what he was doing; a few wekks at Bodymoor Heath and all that competence seems to hav eseeped away.

We can bitch about our players, but in truth they are no worse than - and in many cases better than - the opponents they have been losing to. Baker is not a great player, but he is no more limited a player than his opposite numbers in the SWansea defence,  who were barely troubled on Saturday. If we were to give Venables a few weeks with that defence they would become tight enough.

Lambert has had a near impossible job assembling a squad of players from the mess we had at the end of McLeish's tenure. He's made a decent fist of it in truth. On the other hand Bodymoor Heath is a sgood a traiing ground as anywhere. He doesn't seem to have a clue what to do wih the place.

Rather have Caulker than Baker or Vlaar

[SoccerHQ]

Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.

Down to a lack of alternatives

He's been very poor since he got injured at Liverpool where he was having a stormer and was actually in a decent run of form generally.

Overall I still want him to start more often than not away but he really shouldn't be a regular starter at VP anymore as with less space he hardly impacts on home games anymore.

Should be more of a squad player next season, Weimann aswell who has been woeful for most of this season yet has somehow amassed nearly 30 starts!

[silhillvilla]

Weimann needs to be played as a CF.
I'm not sure where he is playing at present or what his role is. I don't think he knows either.

[Des Little]

Weimann needs to be played as a CF.
I'm not sure where he is playing at present or what his role is. I don't think he knows either.

He does. Coffee Fetcher. Milk, no sugar you useless twot.

[SamTheMouse]

Baker is an absolute disaster. How on earth he gets a game every week is beyond me. I'd put Clark in next week against Hull because the idea of Baker stumbling all over Shane Long every 5 minutes is making my blood run cold. Do him and us a favour and drop the bloke. Please.

This leaves me totally perplexed. I'm not a big fan of Clark's, but I actually thought that at the back end of last season and the start of this one, he'd improved quite a lot and looked far more assured alongside Vlaar. I don't understand what he's done to deserve being benched and have the walking disaster zone that is Baker played ahead of him.

[pauliewalnuts]

Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.

I agree.

If one thing shows the small time operation we have become, it is that Gabby is an untouchable despite offering so little.

Or, offering something, just not anything like often enough.

Although he is far from our worst player, I kind of think the new manager would do well to get shot of him, to show we really were breaking with the accepted mediocrity.