Culverhouse and Karsa suspended (Now both sacked: Reply #876)

[Monty]

I do think that Lambert was in support of the decision rather than it happening over his head though. Were it not, he'd have walked out too and started legal proceedings for constructive dismissal.

Very true, 'over his head' seems extremely unlikely. However, it could be that he was given the choice of sacking the coaches or being sacked along with them, in which case his careerism would seem to have prevailed over his relationships with the two suspendees. Or they could have had a big meeting where it was made clear that the players hated the coaches, at which point Lambert agreed with Faulkner that they should go.

[curiousorange]

I get the thing with Culverhouse - from the rumours, he may have previous for being a hothead - but Karsa as well? Just because they're both coaches, they're not joined at the hip. You will most likely find that the relationship between them and Lambert has broken down to the extent that it's irreparable. I would assume the players have not been keen on their coaching methods for some time, hence the chronic drop-off in form, but it has taken the previous four results for Lambert to make his mind up that they're not doing enough. I would say there has been a point at which Lambert and his coaches have disagreed so much that he has forced their hand to either support him or undermine him, and they could no longer pledge their support.

Would that lead to a suspension, though? That suggests punishment for wrongdoing, not just a difference of opinion.

If their relationship was untenable, the board would back the manager every time.

[villasjf]

I am not so sure about Sid, I really want him to succeed but on the other hand I would not want his reputation to be tarnished if things do not work out. I would have preferred Gary McAllister to have been contracted until the end of the season, I posted on here months ago that the root of Villa problems was the lack of Premiership level coaching. For me this is a day to rejoice as Culverhouse was, I believe, completely out of his depth. I reckon we will run riot on Saturday and rip Southampton apart.

I really hope you are right about Saturday.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".

There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.

While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.

I wouldn't read too much into it, Chris. My guess if the Press Officer put together the damage limiting quotes from Lambert, Sid and Given and asked them if they agree before rushing out the release. The fact is none of the three are in a position to disagree unless they want to walk.

[manic-road]

Collymore on TS now

What's he saying? Can't listen because their stream is absolute pony and won't work.

Nothing much really, reckons we will just scrape through this season.

He said we should be buying proven Premiership quality payers and not cheap gambles.

[Villan For Life]

Fair play to Given. He's been a model pro throughout the last couple of seasons and hasn't criticised the club. I admire him for stepping up when asked. There are plenty that wouldn't.

[nick harper]

Those rumours from a few pages ago of Delph and Gabby being left out of the Fulham games because of a fall out with Culverhouse is shocking if true.

That was a game we had to play our stongest side. Can't imagine the fallout if we end up going down because of the three points we gave them.

[John Mitchell]

If true I think this would definitely justify a suspension - putting personal disagreements before the good of the Club.

[curiousorange]

If true I think this would definitely justify a suspension - putting personal disagreements before the good of the Club.

I don't think it can be, because it suggests Lambert would place his coaches' feelings over the good of the club and thereby go against the reason he's employed. If his coaches are suspended because they forced him to leave players out, Faulkner and Lerner would have junked Lambert at the same time.

[olaftab]

I think we need to  accept that Lambert has made this decision. He is professional enough to see the wood from trees and do his job.  He is the Manager and if anyone else makes a decision over his head  and keeps him in charge than thats unprofessional madness and unworkable. It's also constructive dismissal if Lamert was to walk out over that.  So he has made a decision and we should support that.

[Toronto Villa]

It will be interesting to see how "free" our football is at the weekend. Maybe this will be the stress relief valve we've been looking for and it will be reflected in our play.

[olaftab]

Those rumours from a few pages ago of Delph and Gabby being left out of the Fulham games because of a fall out with Culverhouse is shocking if true.

Not shocking at all. Culverhouse probably relayed the bust up to Lambert and at that time Lambert supported his Management team by leaving out both players. Post that further information (prob) came to light  and Lambert has taken a different decision. If two players were left out in a key game because of wrong information from Karsa and Culverhouse than suspension followed by dismissal is the right path.

[Louzie0]

The timing is interesting, though. The fall-outs have been bandied about for more than a week, so for 2 key senior members of staff to be suspended pending an investigation sounds more like other allegations have been made that we don't know about. They have to be very serious for this action to be taken.

I am hoping, like Brian Green said earlier on here that this has nothing to do with the wider problem of corruption affecting betting on matches and it would be a relief if it came down to personalities, in that context.

[chrisw1]

What's TBAR?

Ask Eastie

F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to.  But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty).  Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?

[OCD]

The timing is interesting, though. The fall-outs have been bandied about for more than a week, so for 2 key senior members of staff to be suspended pending an investigation sounds more like other allegations have been made that we don't know about. They have to be very serious for this action to be taken.

I am hoping, like Brian Green said earlier on here that this has nothing to do with the wider problem of corruption affecting betting on matches and it would be a relief if it came down to personalities, in that context.

Even the suggestion is dangerous.