The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[CJ]

Been out of the loop for a few days is this going wrong or what?  I can't quite tell from the last few posts?

No it's still as you were - just idle speculation filling the current information vacuum

[mike]

Been out of the loop for a few days is this going wrong or what?  I can't quite tell from the last few posts?

No it's still as you were - just idle speculation filling the current information vacuum

However, there seems to be an odour not dissimilar to that in Hull on a hot day when the freezers have all broken down.

[old man villa fan]

Been out of the loop for a few days is this going wrong or what?  I can't quite tell from the last few posts?

No it's still as you were - just idle speculation filling the current information vacuum

However, there seems to be an odour not dissimilar to that in Hull on a hot day when the freezers have all broken down.

Had a friend who went to Hull University in the 70s and he said when you went on the train it was like reaching the end of the world.  Not too dissimilar to some fans' feelings at the moment!

[django]

I'm far from being an expert in business takeovers but the way this is going and the people involved suggests that Dr Tony hasn't got the deepest of pockets.

That isn't the end of the world if he gets the right people in, but if it's all funded by loading us with debts and a gamble on us going up at the first attempt then I'd be seriously worried where it could lead us.

[Ads]

I'm not sure what you're basiing that speculation on, that he's had to borrow heavily. Indications from the good sources in this matter, such as Pat Murphy and the journo from the Mail whose spoken to him suggest nothing untoward.

[Toronto Villa]

I'm not sure what you're basic that speculation on, that he's had to borrow heavily. Indications from the good sources in this matter, such as Pat Murphy and the journo from the Mail whose spoken to him suggest nothing untoward.

That's the thing. There's a lot of conflicting information out there and a lot of people adding things up to draw conclusions that might not be correct in the slightest. Yet a reputable journalist with no stake or bias in the matter says everything is going as planned, or at least the deal isn't in jeopardy and that is cast aside. I'm not saying that on the surface there are players in this that haven't had a bit of a sketchy past, but it doesn't mean they cannot make good decisions. Also what none of us know is what actual role they have and what they will have after this is said and done? If they have a role at all. Until I hear someone of Murphy level tell me that things are going to shit I'm likely going to believe the deal is coming together as per the process required to confirm it.

[mr underhill]

just been reading about the Swansea takeover by two Americans who paid £110m for a 60% share, nearly twice the amount Dr X is paying for us. What a total tool Lerner was/is.

[Malandro]

just been reading about the Swansea takeover by two Americans who paid £110m for a 60% share, nearly twice the amount Dr X is paying for us. What a total tool Lerner was/is.

And they don't own their ground.

[Chris Smith]

I'm not sure what you're basic that speculation on, that he's had to borrow heavily. Indications from the good sources in this matter, such as Pat Murphy and the journo from the Mail whose spoken to him suggest nothing untoward.

That's the thing. There's a lot of conflicting information out there and a lot of people adding things up to draw conclusions that might not be correct in the slightest. Yet a reputable journalist with no stake or bias in the matter says everything is going as planned, or at least the deal isyn't in jeopardy and that is cast aside. I'm not saying that on the surface there are players in this that haven't had a bit of a sketchy past, but it doesn't mean they cannot make good decisions. Also what none of us know is what actual role they have and what they will have after this is said and done? If they have a role at all. Until I hear someone of Murphy level tell me that things are going to shit I'm likely going to believe the deal is coming together as per the process required to confirm it.

That's how I am looking at it but would say conflicting speculation rather than information I would say.

[Ger Regan]

I'm not sure what you're basic that speculation on, that he's had to borrow heavily. Indications from the good sources in this matter, such as Pat Murphy and the journo from the Mail whose spoken to him suggest nothing untoward.

That's the thing. There's a lot of conflicting information out there and a lot of people adding things up to draw conclusions that might not be correct in the slightest. Yet a reputable journalist with no stake or bias in the matter says everything is going as planned, or at least the deal isn't in jeopardy and that is cast aside. I'm not saying that on the surface there are players in this that haven't had a bit of a sketchy past, but it doesn't mean they cannot make good decisions. Also what none of us know is what actual role they have and what they will have after this is said and done? If they have a role at all. Until I hear someone of Murphy level tell me that things are going to shit I'm likely going to believe the deal is coming together as per the process required to confirm it.

But these are two different issues, whether the deal is in jeopardy or not is pretty irrelevant to the question of whether the deal is right for the club or not.

[Toronto Villa]

I'm not sure what you're basic that speculation on, that he's had to borrow heavily. Indications from the good sources in this matter, such as Pat Murphy and the journo from the Mail whose spoken to him suggest nothing untoward.

That's the thing. There's a lot of conflicting information out there and a lot of people adding things up to draw conclusions that might not be correct in the slightest. Yet a reputable journalist with no stake or bias in the matter says everything is going as planned, or at least the deal isn't in jeopardy and that is cast aside. I'm not saying that on the surface there are players in this that haven't had a bit of a sketchy past, but it doesn't mean they cannot make good decisions. Also what none of us know is what actual role they have and what they will have after this is said and done? If they have a role at all. Until I hear someone of Murphy level tell me that things are going to shit I'm likely going to believe the deal is coming together as per the process required to confirm it.

But these are two different issues, whether the deal is in jeopardy or not is pretty irrelevant to the question of whether the deal is right for the club or not.

And nobody can tell if it will or won't be for a while. If someone asked that question about Randy Lerner in 2006-2009 most would have said yes. 7 years on, it's been an unmitigated disaster.

[Ger Regan]

And nobody can tell if it will or won't be for a while. If someone asked that question about Randy Lerner in 2006-2009 most would have said yes. 7 years on, it's been an unmitigated disaster.

Precisely. We ignored warnings from brown's fans over his abilities as an owner, and we're seemingly doing the exact same again when it comes to the people surrounding Xia. Granted, there's not a lot we could actually do about it in any event, but I still find it rather frustrating.

[supertom]

just been reading about the Swansea takeover by two Americans who paid £110m for a 60% share, nearly twice the amount Dr X is paying for us. What a total tool Lerner was/is.

Well they're in good shape and we've just been relegated. Not that I'm arguing for one second on the fact Lerner is a tool.

[Toronto Villa]

Get, the two sports are utterly different for one. Second Randy in those 3-4 years invested huge sums of money in making us relevant again. Now his biggest failing was keeping a proper check on MON, a subject none of us need to revisit. But up until that moment MON walked out he did a lot of things we want in an owner if not a chairman. And as for the Browns, in the NFL era they were a failed franchise before Lerner and have been since.

[Steve R]

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That's how I am looking at it but would say conflicting speculation rather than information I would say.

There's plenty of hard information out there regarding Samuelson's previous deals in football, and it doesn't make good reading. There's little conflict either. I have yet to read any article - whether it's about his dealings in football or the FBI - that shows him in a good light.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/financier-behind-ill-fated-everton-fc-3356079

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/zingarevich-dream-ticket-who-turned-7207377

http://www.gudavadze.com/court.news.christopher-samuelson-denies-money-laundering-allegations.html