The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[old man villa fan]

What seems to be lacking is the newspapers etc. insinuating/alleging/accusing of Xia of not being legitimate actually confronting him in person about the issues they are raising.  Not unusual for newspapers.

One of the problems I have these days with the internet is who is a reputable source with the clout to investigate and get the facts and who is just a blogger with an opinion.  Even the most reputable of newspapers come up short a lot of the time these days, mostly due to wanting to get a story out quickly, however weak in content.

[curiousorange]

What seems to be lacking is the newspapers etc. insinuating/alleging/accusing of Xia of not being legitimate actually confronting him in person about the issues they are raising.  Not unusual for newspapers.

One of the problems I have these days with the internet is who is a reputable source with the clout to investigate and get the facts and who is just a blogger with an opinion.  Even the most reputable of newspapers come up short a lot of the time these days, mostly due to wanting to get a story out quickly, however weak in content.

You only have to look at the Meaning Evil's clickbait bollocks to show what they're after is internet traffic. Somebody like David Conn would be ideal to dig around but I think it's all happening at such a pace, we might be trying to untangle ourselves from a sticky mess rather than avoiding it in the first place if it all goes pear shaped.

[cdward]

I don't believe that Hollis has not already applied the same checks and balances as the PL/FL fit and proper person tests, as well as many more from an accounting perspective.
It's like the auditors coming in at work, any diligent company will have already made sure everything is in place so there will be no surprises.

[four fornicholl]

Its dated 11th of April for fks sake, 75% of that went on the roulette and the 3.45 at Plumpton.

How about leaving the lazy stereotypes.

Surely were all stereotyping this fella to a degree, I just have a bad feeling about the whole thing, sincerely hope im wrong.

[PaulWinch again]

Its dated 11th of April for fks sake, 75% of that went on the roulette and the 3.45 at Plumpton.

How about leaving the lazy stereotypes.

Surely were all stereotyping this fella to a degree, I just have a bad feeling about the whole thing, sincerely hope im wrong.

I don't think many are stereotyping him, maybe those who are absolutely convinced he's lying.

[paul_e]

What seems to be lacking is the newspapers etc. insinuating/alleging/accusing of Xia of not being legitimate actually confronting him in person about the issues they are raising.  Not unusual for newspapers.

One of the problems I have these days with the internet is who is a reputable source with the clout to investigate and get the facts and who is just a blogger with an opinion.  Even the most reputable of newspapers come up short a lot of the time these days, mostly due to wanting to get a story out quickly, however weak in content.

As I've said earlier, as much as I dislike the mail, Nick Harris does seem to have put the effort in to get an interview with Xia and to contact his professor from Harvard.  Most of the others seem to have done very little other than the financial times calling the recon office and speaking to a PR person.  This is the key thing, all the other rumours seems to be about them not being able to find anything rather than them finding anything worrying. No one who has met with him has, so far, had anything bad to say as far as I can see.

[LeeB]

What seems to be lacking is the newspapers etc. insinuating/alleging/accusing of Xia of not being legitimate actually confronting him in person about the issues they are raising.  Not unusual for newspapers.

One of the problems I have these days with the internet is who is a reputable source with the clout to investigate and get the facts and who is just a blogger with an opinion.  Even the most reputable of newspapers come up short a lot of the time these days, mostly due to wanting to get a story out quickly, however weak in content.

As I've said earlier, as much as I dislike the mail, Nick Harris does seem to have put the effort in to get an interview with Xia and to contact his professor from Harvard.  Most of the others seem to have done very little other than the financial times calling the recon office and speaking to a PR person.  This is the key thing, all the other rumours seems to be about them not being able to find anything rather than them finding anything worrying. No one who has met with him has, so far, had anything bad to say as far as I can see.

So if nothing else he's a fantastic con artist, and there's no way the poxy fit and proper test is going to stop him.

Should be handy when trying to offload our shit players though.

[four fornicholl]

Smokescreens and mirrors, that's what its all about. Were trying our hardest to find him out, but when its a deal of this magnitude, if theyre trying to turn us over you would think they have every base covered.
Like ive said, I hope im wrong.

[old man villa fan]

What seems to be lacking is the newspapers etc. insinuating/alleging/accusing of Xia of not being legitimate actually confronting him in person about the issues they are raising.  Not unusual for newspapers.

One of the problems I have these days with the internet is who is a reputable source with the clout to investigate and get the facts and who is just a blogger with an opinion.  Even the most reputable of newspapers come up short a lot of the time these days, mostly due to wanting to get a story out quickly, however weak in content.

As I've said earlier, as much as I dislike the mail, Nick Harris does seem to have put the effort in to get an interview with Xia and to contact his professor from Harvard.  Most of the others seem to have done very little other than the financial times calling the recon office and speaking to a PR person.  This is the key thing, all the other rumours seems to be about them not being able to find anything rather than them finding anything worrying. No one who has met with him has, so far, had anything bad to say as far as I can see.

Precisely.  There is a vacuum at the moment until the two leagues carry out their checks on Xia/Recon.  The longer you stay away from the direct questions, the longer you can spin out the story.

[The Edge]

I don't want to get all conspiracy theorist, but one of the hallmarks of a successful con is that scant evidence is accepted as total proof. Usually the dupe is the one that does the running, finding scraps of evidence to fill in huge and worrying gaps.

I'm not saying this is all an elaborate hoax, but none of the explanations fans are trying to spin - such as the Birds Nest/Olympic park thing, the way the Chinese do business, the intention to buy companies which were previously thought to be owned - sit very well with me. Maybe it is all a case of whoops, mind my language cultural difference, but the man saying 'yes, I'm super rich' and flashing a bankers' note which could have been knocked up by any forger for a bit of cash hasn't put my mind at rest.

A con trick? Really? And how would this con make anyone any money? You think Randy Lerners highly paid legal team would sign a deal of this magnitude therefore handing him the ownership of Aston Villa without the cash sitting in Lerners account? Not a snowballs chance in hell. This is all getting a bit silly now.

[old man villa fan]

Smokescreens and mirrors, that's what its all about. Were trying our hardest to find him out, but when its a deal of this magnitude, if theyre trying to turn us over you would think they have every base covered.
Like ive said, I hope im wrong.

I'm not sure as to how you think they will turn us over.  We are £25m in debt and have very few assets that can be liquidated.  They are going to pay £75m or so out to acquire the club.  I am not sure but I think the PL money from last season is not paid out in one go.

The only way that I can see Xia/Recon coming out of this with more than they put in is to get us back into the PL and sell us on.  To get back into the PL, they will have to invest in players.  All up, I would suggest that the investment is going to be £150m with the future payments to Lerner.  To make £50m we will have to be approaching top 6 in the PL for somebody to offer £200m.  Would it be worth the hassle to him just to make £50m.  I am sure he could make £50m easier in China.

So back to the question, how is he going to turn us over?

[Duncan Shaw]

Smokescreens and mirrors, that's what its all about. Were trying our hardest to find him out, but when its a deal of this magnitude, if theyre trying to turn us over you would think they have every base covered.
Like ive said, I hope im wrong.

I'm not sure as to how you think they will turn us over.  We are £25m in debt and have very few assets that can be liquidated.  They are going to pay £75m or so out to acquire the club.  I am not sure but I think the PL money from last season is not paid out in one go.

The only way that I can see Xia/Recon coming out of this with more than they put in is to get us back into the PL and sell us on.  To get back into the PL, they will have to invest in players.  All up, I would suggest that the investment is going to be £150m with the future payments to Lerner.  To make £50m we will have to be approaching top 6 in the PL for somebody to offer £200m.  Would it be worth the hassle to him just to make £50m.  I am sure he could make £50m easier in China.

So back to the question, how is he going to turn us over?

Thank you!

[The Edge]

Smokescreens and mirrors, that's what its all about. Were trying our hardest to find him out, but when its a deal of this magnitude, if theyre trying to turn us over you would think they have every base covered.
Like ive said, I hope im wrong.

Smoke and mirrors? Let's look at this logically.  So they are going to pay off the clubs 25million overdraft with HSBC. Then give Lerner in the region of another 75 million if we get promoted. To do this they will have to invest heavily in the club for players and a new manager. Then the only way they could sell us on at a profit is if we are once again successful at the top end. So surely this is what we want isn't it?
So tell me where's the con?

[Sexual Ealing]

Also, if they haven't got the money even for the purchase, what would be the fucking point?

[The Edge]

Also, if they haven't got the money even for the purchase, what would be the fucking point?

Exactly!