The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[oldhill_avfc]

Well the Glazers did it, but then they had a vastly profitable business in Man U so they basically got the business they were buying to pay for itself.  Doing similar with Villa seems a disaster waiting to happen

To be fair to the Glazers they've turned Manu into a profitable business.

I just can't see chinas answer to John Poulson having a similar effect.

[supertom]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

[paul_e]

oldhill, you've managed to form some very strong opinions on the basis of nothing but paranoia and missing info, accusing him of bribery now is getting beyond a farce and has no basis in fact or evidence.

[sickbeggar]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.

[PaulWinch again]

The site seems to be split into three groups at the moment. There are those who are hopeful that the lack of info and anamolies are a breakdown in communication rather than being indicative of anything worse. There are those who are concerned that the anamolies and lack of clarity mean that we have been sold down the river. I think the majority of the site fall into those two groups and quite possible flip flop between them. Then there's a small number who seem to have already fully made up their mind, based on what is pretty limited information, that Dr Tony is definitely a fraud and is going to destroy Villa. I can understand the feelings of the first two groups, but I don't see how those in the third can be so sure based on what we know.

You move very quickly from the second group to the third when the claims that were meant to reassure and add legitimacy turn out to be a crock of shit.

But I still don't think there's anywhere near enough evidence to make a solid judgement either way.

[paul_e]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.

well not really, in 12 months we could just as easily have walked the championship with over 100 points and be thinking of all the big name we'll be looking at to go with squad.  No one knows anything like enough to be making any significant judgements either way.  What protesting about him now over nothing would do is stop us from having the chance to find out.  How would it feel for him to then buy, for example, West Brom and make them the biggest club in the country?

[sickbeggar]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.

well not really, in 12 months we could just as easily have walked the championship with over 100 points and be thinking of all the big name we'll be looking at to go with squad.  No one knows anything like enough to be making any significant judgements either way.  What protesting about him now over nothing would do is stop us from having the chance to find out.  How would it feel for him to then buy, for example, West Brom and make them the biggest club in the country?

 If the premier league or whoever decide he's legit then i can live with that. But personally taking Hollis' or Lerner's word when they just want rid of us however they do it seems daft.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.

well not really, in 12 months we could just as easily have walked the championship with over 100 points and be thinking of all the big name we'll be looking at to go with squad.  No one knows anything like enough to be making any significant judgements either way.  What protesting about him now over nothing would do is stop us from having the chance to find out.  How would it feel for him to then buy, for example, West Brom and make them the biggest club in the country?

Fair point. Reminds me , wasnt there some American investor who wanted to pour money into Glasgow Rangers but he pulled out complete with a message that "this yank will keep his money" or words to that effect after the Board & some fans hounded him?

[clash city rocker]

Looks like we just have to sit and wait..does anyone know if that chap who was supposed to be buying Everton has taken over now ? Is it all done and dusted ?

[john e]

I don't think it matters that much in the slightest really.

so within 24 hours of the takeover being announced the club is lying about the business achievements of the potential new owner and that isnt concerning?

the 5 listed companies is another lie but dont worry it was probably lost in translation or something

two whopping lies within two days so what else has been lied about?

what next? the 35000 employed is really 3500 and was a typo

It only matters if you're looking for things to be continually angry about. Let's just see what happens eh?

not angry just amazed that people write off major bollock ups as just one of those things and of no concern

if you go for a job and say i worked on the major restructure of x company and i own 5 companies and i dont really what you still be happy to employ that person?

the lies have come from somewhere and begs the question about more lies and the persons integrity

It's not a case of writing it off, maybe some people are not getting their knickers in an almighty twist at this early stage. Some people might want to wait and see what develops. Just because you're stamping your feet, we don't all have to.

You will never be wrong then will you
You wait and see , if he turns out to be genuine you say he's a good one, if he turns out to be a phoney you say he's a bad one, oooh be careful

in the end we have no choice anyway, we will all have to wait and see as none of us are in control

But it is a message board, and sometimes people will take a chance and give an opinion either way,
I know it may seem a high risk strategy to you but we will just have to live with the consequences

[paul_e]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.

well not really, in 12 months we could just as easily have walked the championship with over 100 points and be thinking of all the big name we'll be looking at to go with squad.  No one knows anything like enough to be making any significant judgements either way.  What protesting about him now over nothing would do is stop us from having the chance to find out.  How would it feel for him to then buy, for example, West Brom and make them the biggest club in the country?

 If the premier league or whoever decide he's legit then i can live with that. But personally taking Hollis' or Lerner's word when they just want rid of us however they do it seems daft.

It's the best info we have, an auditor who had high up roles in the middle east and far east operations of a global auditing company says he's a good guy with the money and backing to make us a big club again.  Conversely some people on the internet said he seems a bit a dodgy because they don't like his shoes and can't find him with a google search.

I don't know either way, none of us do, but whenever you research anything the key is determining which source is the most credible and from our point of view Hollis is it.  The FT article did add a little worry but when the core headline is provable as wrong the credibility of that drops so I'm back to thinking he's legit for the time being.

[Clampy]

Ask me again in a years time. Until then I'll wait to see what Tony does at the Villa. Benefit of doubt and all that.

Trouble is we could be in a complete hole by then. Time to get worried is now while the deal has to be ratified. Hopefully that will prompt the football authorities to do a bit more investigation before the deal is signed off.

well not really, in 12 months we could just as easily have walked the championship with over 100 points and be thinking of all the big name we'll be looking at to go with squad.  No one knows anything like enough to be making any significant judgements either way.  What protesting about him now over nothing would do is stop us from having the chance to find out.  How would it feel for him to then buy, for example, West Brom and make them the biggest club in the country?

 If the premier league or whoever decide he's legit then i can live with that. But personally taking Hollis' or Lerner's word when they just want rid of us however they do it seems daft.

That's why just taking Hollis and Randy's word for it is not going to happen.

[fredm]

I think people are being a trifle optimistic if they think that not having much money would mean he would fail the "test". As far as I am aware as long as he has no convictions and is not a bankrupt then he will pass the "test". Finance, or where it comes from, is a matter for the sellers as far as the League are concerned. This is my understanding of the situation.

[Rotterdam 82]

Recon Group is a multinational conglomerate group led by Dr. Tony Jiantong Xia. The group holding company owns, directly and indirectly, the shares of several publicly listed companies on the Hong Kong and Chinese stock exchanges and many other private companies employing 35,000 people in 75 countries.

Read more: http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7520870#ixzz49JFA03hy

I also own shares directly in several publicly listed companies on the UK stock exchange. Companies employing far more than 35,000 people in many countries.

I am most certainly not a wealthy person!

[TonyD]

China is a completely currupt set up.  The worst of both worlds.  The idealism of communism and market forces ruled without democracy.  It's rise has been based on the sweat of its poor and about 20m in prisons of sorts. Their stock market is a tissue of lies. That said many millions have been taken from poor to middle class and a great deal of the country have prospered.   A bit like Victorian Britain.