The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[peter w]

I'm looking forward to the lion being replaced by Kung-Fu Panda on the badge if nothing else.

[paul_e]

Fine to have that sort of idea for a contract (if that is a legitimate quote) a bit less fine if you are broadcasting it for all and sundry to hear.

As others have mentioned, it immediately reduces the appeal of the job.  You can talk about rewarding failure, but the average life expectancy for any manager in the top two divisions is about two years now. Paul Lambert was third longest serving manager in the PL at one point.

Even good managers aren't immune from a 4/5 game losing streak, which will immediately have the knives out for most managers these days.   It is a precarious job, so it is an extremely hard sell without compensation. 

The key is picking a manager who has a bit of pride in himself and isn't attracted to the job for that reason alone.

All this shooting from the hip is fine, but talking about these kind of high performance winning standards doesn't ring true for me.  I come back to the earlier point that if this chap does want to make us a major player in the world game (and has the resources to do so) why wait until we have dropped out of the most high profile league in the world?   Why risk the complication of having to gain promotion and the two lots of rebuilding it will need (this summer and then having a team fit for the PL) when he could have gone in with a higher purchase price in Jan (or even last summer) and banked the new TV deal?

The 'We will spend £30, £40 or £50 million' all sounds a bit vague and Carson-esque to me too (not saying he will go on to be a rotter of Yeung-like proportions, mind).   There is a big difference between £30 and 50 million. 

Paul Winch and a few others have mentioned that there are reasons to be concerned with this deal, but that another year of Lerner and co would have seen us plummet even further, and that is a fair point.

I don't think this will be a long-term fit.  But If it is a venture capitalist-style deal and the aim is to invest heavily in the first year or two, get us up and and then sell on at a profit, then so be it.

I took the transfer funds thing to mean that he has set a figure and will see what the manager wants once they're in place.  I think that is exactly the right approach for him to have at this point.

As for long-term fit I think you're completely wrong, as I've said before from everything that has been said by him and about him, a glance at the main business in his group and an understanding of where investments in rebuilding Birmingham are coming from I see this as a Man City style takeover where he wants to rebuild the whole area and use the club as a way to draw people in.

[Thongs]

I'm not sure if its been said yet but I suspect that one of the reasons Gay Tony has chosen Villa is their pink shirts. Where better to be gay than at the Villa. But if he spends his pink pounds in Aston i'm sure nobody will mind.

We're all enjoying your continued delusion

Have fun spending your £50m and sacking your managers

lots of love from everyone in Small Heath

XXX

[KevinGage]

I hope you're right, paul_e.

I allow for the possibility of better times, even if I do fear the worst.

[mal]

Fantastic.
After the censored yankee censored with his censored mate departs  we get a chinese censored led into the deal by a censoreedrepresenting the worst kind of private equity usurers (censored) who is expected to appoint censored as chairman.

And they are going to rename Villa Park. 
Theater of Broken Dreams? (sp. deliberate)
ReConned Park?
New Day Same Shit Stadium?

Still, could have been worse could have been the Russians or the Sauds.

[Malandro]

I'm not sure if its been said yet but I suspect that one of the reasons Gay Tony has chosen Villa is their pink shirts. Where better to be gay than at the Villa. But if he spends his pink pounds in Aston i'm sure nobody will mind.

We're all enjoying your continued delusion

Have fun spending your £50m and sacking your managers

lots of love from everyone in Small Heath

XXX

Nice to have you on here.

[leylandalbion]

I'm not sure if its been said yet but I suspect that one of the reasons Gay Tony has chosen Villa is their pink shirts. Where better to be gay than at the Villa. But if he spends his pink pounds in Aston i'm sure nobody will mind.

We're all enjoying your continued delusion

Have fun spending your £50m and sacking your managers

lots of love from everyone in Small Heath

XXX

Beautiful, why not get some racist slurs in there as well as homophobic.  You knuckle dragging fuckwit.

[paul_e]

I'm not sure if its been said yet but I suspect that one of the reasons Gay Tony has chosen Villa is their pink shirts. Where better to be gay than at the Villa. But if he spends his pink pounds in Aston i'm sure nobody will mind.

We're all enjoying your continued delusion

Have fun spending your £50m and sacking your managers

lots of love from everyone in Small Heath

XXX

Aww bless, we got the first one and he's homophobic to boot.

[damon loves JT]

I'm not sure if its been said yet but I suspect that one of the reasons Gay Tony has chosen Villa is their pink shirts. Where better to be gay than at the Villa. But if he spends his pink pounds in Aston i'm sure nobody will mind.

We're all enjoying your continued delusion

Have fun spending your £50m and sacking your managers

lots of love from everyone in Small Heath

XXX

Homophobia. Nice. Give my regards to everyone back in the 1950's, you heaving clump of frogspawn.

[avfcpg]

I'm not sure if its been said yet but I suspect that one of the reasons Gay Tony has chosen Villa is their pink shirts. Where better to be gay than at the Villa. But if he spends his pink pounds in Aston i'm sure nobody will mind.

We're all enjoying your continued delusion

Have fun spending your £50m and sacking your managers

lots of love from everyone in Small Heath

XXX

Masterful.
Excellent.
We will.
Thank you.

[dave.woodhall]

Fantastic.
After the credit card yankee pretender with his war-criminal mate departs  we get a chinese moneylaunderer led into the deal by a known criminal representing the worst kind of private equity usurers (expect the club up to its eyeballs in future secured debt) who is expected to appoint an known asset stripper as chairman.

And they are going to rename Villa Park. 
Theater of Broken Dreams? (sp. deliberate)
ReConned Park?
New Day Same Shit Stadium?

Still, could have been worse could have been the Russians or the Sauds.

If that's the best you can come up with please do it somewhere else.

[john e]

Fine to have that sort of idea for a contract (if that is a legitimate quote) a bit less fine if you are broadcasting it for all and sundry to hear.

As others have mentioned, it immediately reduces the appeal of the job.  You can talk about rewarding failure, but the average life expectancy for any manager in the top two divisions is about two years now. Paul Lambert was third longest serving manager in the PL at one point.

Even good managers aren't immune from a 4/5 game losing streak, which will immediately have the knives out for most managers these days.   It is a precarious job, so it is an extremely hard sell without compensation. 

The key is picking a manager who has a bit of pride in himself and isn't attracted to the job for that reason alone.

All this shooting from the hip is fine, but talking about these kind of high performance winning standards doesn't ring true for me.  I come back to the earlier point that if this chap does want to make us a major player in the world game (and has the resources to do so) why wait until we have dropped out of the most high profile league in the world?   Why risk the complication of having to gain promotion and the two lots of rebuilding it will need (this summer and then having a team fit for the PL) when he could have gone in with a higher purchase price in Jan (or even last summer) and banked the new TV deal?

The 'We will spend £30, £40 or £50 million' all sounds a bit vague and Carson-esque to me too (not saying he will go on to be a rotter of Yeung-like proportions, mind).   There is a big difference between £30 and 50 million. 

Paul Winch and a few others have mentioned that there are reasons to be concerned with this deal, but that another year of Lerner and co would have seen us plummet even further, and that is a fair point.

I don't think this will be a long-term fit.  But If it is a venture capitalist-style deal and the aim is to invest heavily in the first year or two, get us up and and then sell on at a profit, then so be it.

I took the transfer funds thing to mean that he has set a figure and will see what the manager wants once they're in place.  I think that is exactly the right approach for him to have at this point.

As for long-term fit I think you're completely wrong, as I've said before from everything that has been said by him and about him, a glance at the main business in his group and an understanding of where investments in rebuilding Birmingham are coming from I see this as a Man City style takeover where he wants to rebuild the whole area and use the club as a way to draw people in.

that's some massive expectation,
 and there was me thinking he was just a bullshitter

[andyh]

Fantastic.
After the credit card yankee pretender with his war-criminal mate departs  we get a chinese moneylaunderer led into the deal by a known criminal representing the worst kind of private equity usurers (expect the club up to its eyeballs in future secured debt) who is expected to appoint an known asset stripper as chairman.

And they are going to rename Villa Park. 
Theater of Broken Dreams? (sp. deliberate)
ReConned Park?
New Day Same Shit Stadium?

Still, could have been worse could have been the Russians or the Sauds.

bloody hell, you're a barrel of laughs aren't you ? 

[mal]

Fantastic.
After the credit card yankee pretender with his war-criminal mate departs  we get a chinese moneylaunderer led into the deal by a known criminal representing the worst kind of private equity usurers (expect the club up to its eyeballs in future secured debt) who is expected to appoint an known asset stripper as chairman.

And they are going to rename Villa Park. 
Theater of Broken Dreams? (sp. deliberate)
ReConned Park?
New Day Same Shit Stadium?

Still, could have been worse could have been the Russians or the Sauds.

bloody hell, you're a barrel of laughs aren't you ? 

It's been a long hard few years.

[kippaxvilla2]

These noses only appear on here when they are fearful of what might be or when they have won the Premier League.  Sorry I meant beaten Villa.  Why can't any of them to a man or whatever Polly is construct a grammatically coherent post?