The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[Walmley_Villa]

My one concern is the role of Samuelson in this and any future role. Reading were left in a right mess while his consultancy pocketed a lot of cash.

[aj2k77]

My one concern is the role of Samuelson in this and any future role. Reading were left in a right mess while his consultancy pocketed a lot of cash.

From what I've read on here and all the links posted aren't Samuelson and Banfill the guys who own the company that helped facilitate the deal? They have a website for a company that has them down as offering buying football clubs as one of their services as well as many other football related deals.

I'm not so sure that either of them have a significant role going forward, could be wrong though.

[Walmley_Villa]

My one concern is the role of Samuelson in this and any future role. Reading were left in a right mess while his consultancy pocketed a lot of cash.

From what I've read on here and all the links posted aren't Samuelson and Banfill the guys who own the company that helped facilitate the deal? They have a website for a company that has them down as offering buying football clubs as one of their services as well as many other football related deals.

I'm not so sure that either of them have a significant role going forward, could be wrong though.

Apparently at Reading they made a condition that any investors had to keep them on the board and pay a monthly fee to the consultancy for 2 years. I hope your right and the deal is the end of their involvement.

[aj2k77]

My one concern is the role of Samuelson in this and any future role. Reading were left in a right mess while his consultancy pocketed a lot of cash.

From what I've read on here and all the links posted aren't Samuelson and Banfill the guys who own the company that helped facilitate the deal? They have a website for a company that has them down as offering buying football clubs as one of their services as well as many other football related deals.

I'm not so sure that either of them have a significant role going forward, could be wrong though.

Apparently at Reading they made a condition that any investors had to keep them on the board and pay a monthly fee to the consultancy for 2 years. I hope your right and the deal is the end of their involvement.

It could be the same arrangement here, who knows. Their names on shirts might suggest a role to play.

[kippaxvilla2]

Interesting, so Randy got more than 60m. Good, I'm pleased for him.

Onward and upward.

I read somewhere that Lerner will £100m if we get promoted next season, but the figure will be £60m if we don't.

I can't see how that would stack up.  Surely it would be in the Doctors interest not to get promoted if he had to shell out another £40m for doing so.

[aj2k77]

Interesting, so Randy got more than 60m. Good, I'm pleased for him.

Onward and upward.

I read somewhere that Lerner will £100m if we get promoted next season, but the figure will be £60m if we don't.

I can't see how that would stack up.  Surely it would be in the Doctors interest not to get promoted if he had to shell out another £40m for doing so.

But then we miss out on all the extra tv package money, sponsorship etc etc. I'm pretty certain it wasn't £60m upfront anyway, it looks more than that, certainly going by the way Tony talks in his interview. He mentioned a couple of times it's very complicated.

[aj2k77]

My one concern is the role of Samuelson in this and any future role. Reading were left in a right mess while his consultancy pocketed a lot of cash.

From what I've read on here and all the links posted aren't Samuelson and Banfill the guys who own the company that helped facilitate the deal? They have a website for a company that has them down as offering buying football clubs as one of their services as well as many other football related deals.

I'm not so sure that either of them have a significant role going forward, could be wrong though.

Apparently at Reading they made a condition that any investors had to keep them on the board and pay a monthly fee to the consultancy for 2 years. I hope your right and the deal is the end of their involvement.

http://socfin.gi

There's a link to the Samuelson and Banfill website, they definitely offer buyouts as one of their services.

[Ger Regan]

I presume that it would still be financially worthwhile for us to be promoted next season, even accounting for the reputed additional 40 million that Xia would have to fork out to lerner?

[aj2k77]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36333520

Not sure if it's been posted but Hollis talks about Recon in this. Hollis says Chinese business and Government have very close ties. The President of China's cousin was named a board member temporarily at one of Recons umbrella companies not long ago, it wouldn't be too out of the question to imagine Chinese government backing in some form here....

[chrisf]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36333520

Not sure if it's been posted but Hollis talks about Recon in this. Hollis says Chinese business and Government have very close ties. The President of China's cousin was named a board member temporarily at one of Recons umbrella companies not long ago, it wouldn't be too out of the question to imagine Chinese government backing in some form here....

Sorry. Can't help it. Please read up on the Cultural Revolution before expressing positivity with being associated with the Chinese communist party.

[adrenachrome]

From The Meaning Evil.
Byline Smegg Evans
Timestamp 22:30 19/05/16

...

With the news that Chinese millionaire Tony Xia has agreed to buy the claret and blues, Villa supporters immediately feared that those problems across the city could be repeated in B6.

But departing chairman, Steve Hollis, insists that will not be the case as he believes Xia is the real deal and the right man to make Villa flourish.

“The thing that really helped me and Randy Lerner get ourselves over the line to sell the club to Tony, was looking at his track record," said Hollis.

“As for promises, anyone can make promises, it’s: ‘can you deliver on those promises?’

“This is not a gentleman who goes around making brash promises. This is a gentleman who has a proven track record of delivering.

“And as the single biggest football investment out of China, the Chinese do not have a habit of doing things and coming second.”

Asked whether fans should be cautious about a repeat of the situation at St Andrew’s, Hollis replied: “This is the single biggest investment out of mainland China – mainland is the important point.

“From my experience in business and generally with Chinese business people, they do not come second to anybody.

“If they commit their name to something and their money they want to make sure it is successful.”

So why is Hollis so convinced Xia is the right fit for Villa?

He points to his incredible business network and the exciting plans that Xia has already outlined to him.

As the man who was responsible for the Birds Nest in Beijing, a stadium move or redevelopment could also be on the cards.

“With the plans he has got to have this club back in the Premier League, he has got ambitions around Europe.

“You look at the opportunities there, you look at the redevelopment scale, there are 30 acres of real estate around us at Villa Park.

“The opportunity to regenerate something that is special.

“He has big plans that you will all hear about soon. The next few years will be great.”

[usav]

Interesting, so Randy got more than 60m. Good, I'm pleased for him.

Onward and upward.

I read somewhere that Lerner will £100m if we get promoted next season, but the figure will be £60m if we don't.

So there is a £40m incentive for Tony to not push too hard for promotion this year? 

[adrenachrome]

Interesting, so Randy got more than 60m. Good, I'm pleased for him.

Onward and upward.

I read somewhere that Lerner will £100m if we get promoted next season, but the figure will be £60m if we don't.

So there is a £40m incentive for Tony to not push too hard for promotion this year? 

No, because that is a fraction of the rewards, which go way beyond the substantial Sky money,  which Comrade X will reap if we get back at the first attempt.

[wozwebs]

From The Meaning Evil.
Byline Smegg Evans
Timestamp 22:30 19/05/16

...

With the news that Chinese millionaire Tony Xia has agreed to buy the claret and blues, Villa supporters immediately feared that those problems across the city could be repeated in B6.

But departing chairman, Steve Hollis, insists that will not be the case as he believes Xia is the real deal and the right man to make Villa flourish.

“The thing that really helped me and Randy Lerner get ourselves over the line to sell the club to Tony, was looking at his track record," said Hollis.

“As for promises, anyone can make promises, it’s: ‘can you deliver on those promises?’

“This is not a gentleman who goes around making brash promises. This is a gentleman who has a proven track record of delivering.

“And as the single biggest football investment out of China, the Chinese do not have a habit of doing things and coming second.”

Asked whether fans should be cautious about a repeat of the situation at St Andrew’s, Hollis replied: “This is the single biggest investment out of mainland China – mainland is the important point.

“From my experience in business and generally with Chinese business people, they do not come second to anybody.

“If they commit their name to something and their money they want to make sure it is successful.”

So why is Hollis so convinced Xia is the right fit for Villa?

He points to his incredible business network and the exciting plans that Xia has already outlined to him.

As the man who was responsible for the Birds Nest in Beijing, a stadium move or redevelopment could also be on the cards.

“With the plans he has got to have this club back in the Premier League, he has got ambitions around Europe.

“You look at the opportunities there, you look at the redevelopment scale, there are 30 acres of real estate around us at Villa Park.

“The opportunity to regenerate something that is special.

“He has big plans that you will all hear about soon. The next few years will be great.”

If it was Lerner telling us all this i'd say bullshit but, from the short time we've known him and his previous business knowledge, I trust Hollis on this one. Don't think the wool would have been pulled over his eyes. Hope he still has a role to play in the new regime. We owe him a lot for finally helping get Lerner gone.

[tomd2103]

From The Meaning Evil.
Byline Smegg Evans
Timestamp 22:30 19/05/16

...

With the news that Chinese millionaire Tony Xia has agreed to buy the claret and blues, Villa supporters immediately feared that those problems across the city could be repeated in B6.

But departing chairman, Steve Hollis, insists that will not be the case as he believes Xia is the real deal and the right man to make Villa flourish.

“The thing that really helped me and Randy Lerner get ourselves over the line to sell the club to Tony, was looking at his track record," said Hollis.

“As for promises, anyone can make promises, it’s: ‘can you deliver on those promises?’

“This is not a gentleman who goes around making brash promises. This is a gentleman who has a proven track record of delivering.

“And as the single biggest football investment out of China, the Chinese do not have a habit of doing things and coming second.”

Asked whether fans should be cautious about a repeat of the situation at St Andrew’s, Hollis replied: “This is the single biggest investment out of mainland China – mainland is the important point.

“From my experience in business and generally with Chinese business people, they do not come second to anybody.

“If they commit their name to something and their money they want to make sure it is successful.”

So why is Hollis so convinced Xia is the right fit for Villa?

He points to his incredible business network and the exciting plans that Xia has already outlined to him.

As the man who was responsible for the Birds Nest in Beijing, a stadium move or redevelopment could also be on the cards.

“With the plans he has got to have this club back in the Premier League, he has got ambitions around Europe.

“You look at the opportunities there, you look at the redevelopment scale, there are 30 acres of real estate around us at Villa Park.

“The opportunity to regenerate something that is special.

“He has big plans that you will all hear about soon. The next few years will be great.”

What a moron.  Yes Gregg, because all Chinese businessmen are dodgy and conduct their business like Carson Yeung.