The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[footyskillz]

I think we should celebrate! 
Also do doo mongers on here look at where Ramon abrohaovuch get his money from. For example. Let's enjoy this we got what we wanted and a super power is guiding villa back to big time. For me when di matteo gets in shows intent and can stress the power of China is showing

[pauliewalnuts]

Why is he a shyster or what leads you to think he's a shyster? Because you're as ignorant as most of us about China? Because he made a similar comment as a hair dresser once did? I hope he does well by us, only time will tell, but I won't be rushing on day 1 to give a single fuck about what some of the literate Noses think about this deal, the bitter twats that they are.

I'm not saying he's a shyster. I said "if he turns out to be" in answer to your suggestion that an afternoon of euphoria is sufficient reward for something that turns out to be a bad thing.

As for being ignorant about China - the Recon Group, apparently has assets of 42bn, yet didn't even have a web site until 2010, and despite being such a huge corporation, it and its owner don't seem to register on the internet.

I'm not jumping off any cliff, and I am not engaging in any pissing contest involving sitting on a fence, I am just professing concern that we know *nothing* about these people, and the one person who should really know a lot about them, having just sold them our club for pennies, is the same person whose judgement of character led us to the current mess we are.

[brian green]

So us seeing proof that the bidder is genuine is more important than Steve Hollis seeing it?

[paul_e]

Paulie, you're making an argument about something that just isn't true.  If you were Chinese and you looked for info on them you'd find it.  To get it in English takes a little more effort but try finding details on SAP using cyrillic on a Russian search engine (for example) and then see how easy it is to find details about who they are.

The fact is someone did a credit check and found the company to be worth $42bn and a few of us have dug around and found a significant web presence that you're trying to say doesn't exist.  This isn't some fraudster who has managed to blag his way through the entire sales process.  That doesn't mean he'll be perfect and it says nothing about what will be spent on us but it does mean the scaremongering from the last few pages is entirely unwarranted.onay Cia

If Tony's the boss of loads of really successful businesses with loads of dosh then we're all happy. Your links just now look better. I wonder why the 'Introducing Tony Xia' only mentioned his MSG company. Maybe that was a PR cock up.

I suspect it's because that's the only one he's listed as the chairman of but all the others are owned by the group and I think it's safe to say we've been bought by the group not by him on his own.  Therefore mention the name of the group who owns us, mention the specific guy who'll be running us and mention the company that he runs currently.

Paulie - the $42bn is on this thread but I can't remember who posted it but they credit checked the company.

[cdward]

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=600186.SS

Some company info on Lotus Healthcare which was mentioned on the OS, and Jiantong Xia, or Tony as he likes to be known

[Monty]

I think we should celebrate! 
Also do doo mongers on here look at where Ramon abrohaovuch get his money from. For example. Let's enjoy this we got what we wanted and a super power is guiding villa back to big time. For me when di matteo gets in shows intent and can stress the power of China is showing

This post fills me with joy.

[Lastfootstamper]

There's this. sina sports. Admittedly it is primarily about today's events, and it's in Chinese, but they don't look like coiffeurs.

[pauliewalnuts]

The fact that they're Chinese doesn't automatically make them dodgy. And even if they are dodgy then remember our last owner was as honest as the day is long and he turned us into a bloody shambles.

The Chinese are the new world order in business (for now - India may catch them up).  20 years ago when I was working in the Far East I read a book called 'Lords of the Rim'.  It is a fascinating book about the Chinese expatriate business community that spread originally from one area of China to control business empires all across SE Asia and the Pacific Rim to the west coast of USA and Canada.  Take Thailand as an example, most of the top business men and politicians in the country are Sino Thai.  Politics and business are intertwined in Chinese working.  In the last 20 years, China has grown dramatically and the Chinese are looking to diversify their money across the world into many business streams.  The typical Chinese businessman (small or large) has his fingers in many pots.

There is a reason why this guy has bought us and it is not just because he is a fan and likes the team colours.  This is an investment and I think it is not just for the short term and I do not think it will be an isolated investment here.  I do not expect us to be the new Man City but I do think there will be steady positive investment but the key to success is to build a successful team.  There are only a few of clubs in the world that can spend fortunes and almost guarantee success.  For all the money Man City have spent, are they getting value for money out of the expenditure.  We have learnt the hard way that it is how you spend the money, not how much there is.

I am optimistic.

I'm not one for making sweeping judgments based on nationality, but if you're going down the route of judging him on the basis he's chinese, all of the above could have been said about Carson Yeung when he bought Small Heath.

I have not said that I was putting the house on us winning the PL, I said I was optimistic.  I was giving an insight into Chinese business and did not say 2+2 = 4.  I posted my comments as an alternative view (hopefully informed) on Chinese, compared with some of 'gut feel' negative views.  At the end of the day, £60m (plus the reported £20m or so losses) is still a lot of money to invest, particularly in football, as seen from the short queue of people wanting to buy football clubs.

I didn't say you were putting the house on us winning the PL, i was just pointing out that if you want to make sweeping generalisations about Chinese businessmen (either good or bad), you don't have to look very far across the city to see another example.

I'm personally worried about this bloke, but it's not about him being Chinese, it's about him being almost entirely unknown.

[Jimbo]

Right now I have no idea who they are or if they skint or minted. I'll judge them on what they do, the people they appoint and forgo any of the PR and spin.

Which is about all we can do now. I doubt it will be as mental as the Lerner years. Either way, it won't be boring.

By the way, Collymore reckons Dr X is worth £27BILLION.

[Ger Regan]

So us seeing proof that the bidder is genuine is more important than Steve Hollis seeing it?

Ultimately, who is hollis working for? And what would have been his remit, considering the lerner trust were essentially running things?

[saunders_heroes]

Can't see Hollis negotiating to sell the club to a shyster even if Xia does seem like a bit of a mystery.

[saunders_heroes]

Right now I have no idea who they are or if they skint or minted. I'll judge them on what they do, the people they appoint and forgo any of the PR and spin.

Which is about all we can do now. I doubt it will be as mental as the Lerner years. Either way, it won't be boring.

By the way, Collymore reckons Dr X is worth £27BILLION.

Oooh that's more like it!

[footyskillz]

Are there plans for a Chinese website as I think I and v can reach out to bigger market audience that would be impressive.  I will keep hanging the tanggum till realisation how the Dr and China are developing both villa and football in China.  It's only a positive to have investment on such a scale and it's also very modern in business now to have Chinese investment and wise too. Villa to become biggest club in China is quite something and it's not some thing western or uk media are concerned about but its massive whasts happening .
60 million is unbelievably amazing value and that will rise over the next seasons.  Exciting times indeed

[Ger Regan]

Right now I have no idea who they are or if they skint or minted. I'll judge them on what they do, the people they appoint and forgo any of the PR and spin.

Which is about all we can do now. I doubt it will be as mental as the Lerner years. Either way, it won't be boring.

By the way, Collymore reckons Dr X is worth £27BILLION.

He also predicted exciting times last summer.

Look, i get people are happy with lerner gone and that, but we've been here before. We were delighted when doug sold up, and I also distinctly remember concerns being ignored when it came to randy, like most ignored the concerns raised about o'neill. To be honest, I'm sick of being disappointed, so unless I'm given tangible proof rather than hearsay, I'm going to remain sceptical.

[pauliewalnuts]

Are there plans for a Chinese website as I think I and v can reach out to bigger market audience that would be impressive

We've had one for a few years. And a chinese twitter and facebook presence.