The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[myf]

Not so sure Yoss.   Oil has dropped by nearly three fifths already and if deflation kicks in it could make Wall St in 1929 look like a game of ha'penny nap.   (a low stakes card game played by the very poor)

I wonder if they have these type of discussions on KRO

[caster troy]

[brian green]

I cannot see WW3 but I can see world wide localized wars like ISIL and Crimea and Syria doing as much damage collectively as WW1 or 2. Fossil fuels are finite. You may not agree that they are starting to run out but they will run out. How well and more importantly how peacefully we cope with transition to renewable energy will dictate how sustainable Citeh and PSG are. I have three very clever children and we had this discussion over Christmas. Number 1 son said "data is the new oil" number 2 son said "food is the new oil" my daughter said "Gabby is too fat".

[dave.woodhall]

Alternatives can, and will, be found for fossil fuels but there is one natural resource that can't be replicated and is in increasing demand. Wars used to be fought over land. Now they're fought over oil. Soon they will be fought over water.

[hilts_coolerking]

I cannot see WW3 but I can see world wide localized wars like ISIL and Crimea and Syria doing as much damage collectively as WW1 or 2. Fossil fuels are finite. You may not agree that they are starting to run out but they will run out. How well and more importantly how peacefully we cope with transition to renewable energy will dictate how sustainable Citeh and PSG are. I have three very clever children and we had this discussion over Christmas. Number 1 son said "data is the new oil" number 2 son said "food is the new oil" my daughter said "Gabby is too fat".

That's depressing. 

My family and I just read out jokes from the crackers and played with the small black plastic clip-on moustache.  And the red cellophane fortune-telling fish.

[PeterWithe]

Alternatives can, and will, be found for fossil fuels but there is one natural resource that can't be replicated and is in increasing demand. Wars used to be fought over land. Now they're fought over oil. Soon they will be fought over water.

Havent we got the same amount  of water we've always had?

[Monty]

A couple of people I know in the water industry say that the biggest deal out there is de-salination. If we can find more effective and efficient ways to take the salt out of the sea water we could solve an enormous number of problems - some before they've started.

[Villa in Denmark]

Alternatives can, and will, be found for fossil fuels but there is one natural resource that can't be replicated and is in increasing demand. Wars used to be fought over land. Now they're fought over oil. Soon they will be fought over water.

Havent we got the same amount  of water we've always had?

At the moment yes, but access to clean drinkable water per person will decrease with increasing population. In my lifetime (44 years and counting) the global population had increased by over 1 billion people. The time taken for the previous 1 billion population increase was over a century.

The current prediction is that we'll have grown by another billion before I start drawing a pension, and have exceeded the critical mass of 9 billion people within a further 10 years. The critical mass figure is based on supplying the population with around 2000 calories a day of a balanced diet with fully optimised agriculture. (And pretty much a vegetarian diet to maximise food output per acre.)

That's before you take into account the effects of climate change.

The cause of all these bush / forest fires in California and Australia? Drought like nothing experienced in human memory.

We're already seeing growing insect populations here that 20 years ago were almost exclusive to North Africa and occasionally Mediterranean Europe as temperatures rise.  The extreme flooding that is now seen regularly in Central Europe doesn't increase the availability of drinking water, rather contaminates the water already present.

Someone I know had a business supplying temporary damming equipment and high capacity pump systems.

10 years ago most of his business was in Asia and China.

Today over 50% of his business is here in Europe.

Desert states like Kuwait rely almost entirely on desalination of sea water.  All of their infrastructure (which for obvious reasons is located on the coast) is at risk from rising sea levels.

The list of problems facing water supply is almost as long as the reasons Lambert should have been sacked at least 5 times over the last 2 1/2 years.

[ROBBO]

The state of Victoria have had a desalination plant for the last three or four years, the year it was finished we had been in a ten year drought,Dams were very low and we were on water restrictions, the opening of the desal plant coincided with the breaking of the drought, although we are not using any of the water it costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions to maintain.

[dave.woodhall]

A couple of people I know in the water industry say that the biggest deal out there is de-salination. If we can find more effective and efficient ways to take the salt out of the sea water we could solve an enormous number of problems - some before they've started.

Which is fine if you have a coastline - then see my earlier point.

[thick_mike]

Ha! Only on H&V...

I've been avoiding this thread for a couple of weeks because the ownership saga is all so depressing. I thought I'd check the last page this morning to see what was going on. Never expected a discussion on access to potable water supply.

That's why I love this forum.

[Clampy]

Ha! Only on H&V...

I've been avoiding this thread for a couple of weeks because the ownership saga is all so depressing. I thought I'd check the last page this morning to see what was going on. Never expected a discussion on access to potable water supply.

That's why I love this forum.

They were discussing kebabs on another thread.

[LeeB]

He'd certainly get a few of our bomb squad off the books.

[Monty]

A couple of people I know in the water industry say that the biggest deal out there is de-salination. If we can find more effective and efficient ways to take the salt out of the sea water we could solve an enormous number of problems - some before they've started.

Which is fine if you have a coastline - then see my earlier point.

Ah, I see. Well, I'm not an expert in these matters, but I suppose if there is some movement towards mass-desalination then there could/should be some sort of international organisation responsible for transportation of water inland. Would be a tricky project to organise, though.

[hilts_coolerking]

I'm not sure the coastline thing matter so much.  If an effective desalination method is found then I'm sure they could get some offshore things going.  And there's more than enough seawater for everybody.  We'd have to pay for it of course but then we do anyway.