The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[RussellC]

Sunderland have brought in Billy Jones (admittedly from West Brom) who I think is very decent and are on the verge of taking Borini on a permanent deal. They've also taken Jordi Gomez from Wigan, who is a very good ball-playing midfielder

Hull are on the verge of signing Jake Livermore, Robert Snodgrass and Tom Ince, all for around £20m in total.

All of the above are players who I think would have improved us. Sir Brian also agrees...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-brian-little-looks-7341376

[Ads]

I think Kozak, Bacuna, N'Zogbia and Cole as a front four for the time being, isn't too bad.

[RussellC]

I think Kozak, Bacuna, N'Zogbia and Cole as a front four for the time being, isn't too bad.

Really? If that's our front 4 next season I think we'll be in a relegation scrap from day one. You've got 2 players there who have been seriously injured for the past year and one who's done nothing noteworthy on the pitch for about 5 years.

[sirlordbaltimore]

I think Kozak, Bacuna, N'Zogbia and Cole as a front four for the time being, isn't too bad.

Jesus, it scares the hell out of me. Has Championship written all over it

[Dave]

Hull are on the verge of signing Jake Livermore, Robert Snodgrass and Tom Ince, all for around £20m in total.

Spending £15m on transfer fees for Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass is possibly the worst idea I have heard this summer.

It's not that we'd have no use for them, it's that they are not signifanctly better than what we currently have to spend anything like that much money on them.

[saunders_heroes]

I think Kozak, Bacuna, N'Zogbia and Cole as a front four for the time being, isn't too bad.

God help us.

[RussellC]

Hull are on the verge of signing Jake Livermore, Robert Snodgrass and Tom Ince, all for around £20m in total.

Spending £15m on transfer fees for Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass is possibly the worst idea I have heard this summer.

It's not that we'd have no use for them, it's that they are not signifanctly better than what we currently have to spend anything like that much money on them.

It wasn't an idea or a suggestion, it was just an example of the spending-spree that one of our rivals are embarking on.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course, but I think that those 3 players will improve Hull (regardless of their cost) and would have improved us. On the other hand, I don't think that the signings of Cole and Senderos will improve us.

It reinforces my assertion that we're reigning-in our spending during a summer where the market will be over-inflated. If we had a solid, top-half of the table squad, this would be a sensible move, but given that we don't I think it's a real worry.

[Chris Smith]

I think Kozak, Bacuna, N'Zogbia and Cole as a front four for the time being, isn't too bad.

Really? If that's our front 4 next season I think we'll be in a relegation scrap from day one. You've got 2 players there who have been seriously injured for the past year and one who's done nothing noteworthy on the pitch for about 5 years.

Well it isn't going to be our 'front 4 next season' is it?

Unless you discount Gabby, Weimann and Benteke that is.

[silhillvilla]

I think Kozak, Bacuna, N'Zogbia and Cole as a front four for the time being, isn't too bad.

Kin Ada. The sort of thing to keep you awake at night.

[paul_e]

Hull are on the verge of signing Jake Livermore, Robert Snodgrass and Tom Ince, all for around £20m in total.

Spending £15m on transfer fees for Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass is possibly the worst idea I have heard this summer.

It's not that we'd have no use for them, it's that they are not signifanctly better than what we currently have to spend anything like that much money on them.

It wasn't an idea or a suggestion, it was just an example of the spending-spree that one of our rivals are embarking on.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course, but I think that those 3 players will improve Hull (regardless of their cost) and would have improved us. On the other hand, I don't think that the signings of Cole and Senderos will improve us.

It reinforces my assertion that we're reigning-in our spending during a summer where the market will be over-inflated. If we had a solid, top-half of the table squad, this would be a sensible move, but given that we don't I think it's a real worry.

The issue I have with this post is that you can find almost exact replicas of it from last season (about Fulham) and the season before (about QPR).

As for the spending, the pool of talent that people are buying from is the same as it always has been, spending loads more money buying players who are no better than what was available last season isn't going to see 5-6 teams move away from us to the extent where we're guaranteed to go down.  As per the last 3 seasons, we're in the group that will make up the bottom half but we're not cast adrift at the bottom of that group as some seem to be suggesting.  With no more changes to the squad we've got a good enough squad to finish in roughly the same place as the last few years, only a truly abysmal collapse put us in real danger last season.

I think we'll see another season where the last relegation spot goes to a team with 33-34 points because the top sides will again be totally dominant out in front.  If that is the case all you really need is to tick along at 1 win in 3 and avoid a 7-8 game run of defeats.  Do that and you're safe.  Add in a run of 4-5 wins in 6-7 games and you're into midtable.

[bertlambshank]

Paul_e you are probably right,but what a depressing read.

[RussellC]

Hull are on the verge of signing Jake Livermore, Robert Snodgrass and Tom Ince, all for around £20m in total.

Spending £15m on transfer fees for Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass is possibly the worst idea I have heard this summer.

It's not that we'd have no use for them, it's that they are not signifanctly better than what we currently have to spend anything like that much money on them.

It wasn't an idea or a suggestion, it was just an example of the spending-spree that one of our rivals are embarking on.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course, but I think that those 3 players will improve Hull (regardless of their cost) and would have improved us. On the other hand, I don't think that the signings of Cole and Senderos will improve us.

It reinforces my assertion that we're reigning-in our spending during a summer where the market will be over-inflated. If we had a solid, top-half of the table squad, this would be a sensible move, but given that we don't I think it's a real worry.

The issue I have with this post is that you can find almost exact replicas of it from last season (about Fulham) and the season before (about QPR).

I'm not sure about that. Certainly I didn't make posts like that about Fulham, QPR or anybody else. In fact at this point last summer I was very optimistic. We'd finished the season with some momentum and Lambert was doing his shopping very early and looking to bring in some exciting young talent from our around Europe, spending around £20m in the process (not including wages). We made a real statement of intent by not only refusing our star player's transfer request, but by actually convincing him to sign a new contract.

To compare this summer to last, and to infer that the complaints and worries of this are the same as usual is actually pretty misleading.

[paul_e]

Hull are on the verge of signing Jake Livermore, Robert Snodgrass and Tom Ince, all for around £20m in total.

Spending £15m on transfer fees for Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass is possibly the worst idea I have heard this summer.

It's not that we'd have no use for them, it's that they are not signifanctly better than what we currently have to spend anything like that much money on them.

It wasn't an idea or a suggestion, it was just an example of the spending-spree that one of our rivals are embarking on.

It's all a matter of opinion, of course, but I think that those 3 players will improve Hull (regardless of their cost) and would have improved us. On the other hand, I don't think that the signings of Cole and Senderos will improve us.

It reinforces my assertion that we're reigning-in our spending during a summer where the market will be over-inflated. If we had a solid, top-half of the table squad, this would be a sensible move, but given that we don't I think it's a real worry.

The issue I have with this post is that you can find almost exact replicas of it from last season (about Fulham) and the season before (about QPR).

I'm not sure about that. Certainly I didn't make posts like that about Fulham, QPR or anybody else. In fact at this point last summer I was very optimistic. We'd finished the season with some momentum and Lambert was doing his shopping very early and looking to bring in some exciting young talent from our around Europe, spending around £20m in the process (not including wages). We made a real statement of intent by not only refusing our star player's transfer request, but by actually convincing him to sign a new contract.

To compare this summer to last, and to infer that the complaints and worries of this are the same as usual is actually pretty misleading.

It was reference to the assertion that other teams are spending lots of money and will overtake us more than what we ourselves are doing, I wasn't singling you out, just that you've made a fairly clear, "Hull will be better" statement in there, which we see about teams every summer and every season at least one of those teams falls apart.  I genuinely think there's 7 teams who will be top half guaranteed (arsenal, chelsea, spurs and the red and blue sides of manchester and liverpool) everyone else is playing for midtable, the ones that manage a decent run will get there, the ones that have a really poor run of defeats will go down.  I think that 13 has some stronger sides (newcastle, stoke, maybe palace on 2014 form) than others (Burnley) but we're right in the middle of that pack.

[Logical]

Fact of the matter is we are fucked as a club and finished as a competitive entity unless Lerner sells before the season starts and if you ask me fans should stop bitching at each other and go after the arse holes that have wrecked our club, Lerner, Faulkner, that army twat and whoever the hell was advising them. If fans don't show their discontent for the 3 criminals mentioned and continue to attack fellow fans then you need your head testing and a punch in the face.

[peter w]

Yeah. Logical by name...

Right, come on you cu*ts. Who wants some?