The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[pauliewalnuts]

After reading that I've got nothing but sympathy for the bloke.

Me too. I've got a lot of time for him.

He has got plenty of faults but it's hard to deny, he's being very decent at the moment.

If the gist and figures of that article are correct then I really pray there is a takeover happening. If there isn't, and this dragged on for seasons, just think how damaging that approach would be for the club.

[paul_e]

In hindsight he could've spent the money better but I'm pretty certain that he expected Tonev to be the attacking midfielder we wanted and Okore to be the defender we wanted, for very different reasons neither turned out to be what we needed.

My bigger concern with Lambert is that he bought in to the 'young and hungry' policy but didn't know how to turn that eager potential into regular performance, which nullifies any good he does in spotting players with potential as they've not really improved.  Is there any signing, other than Benteke, where you cvan look and think he's genuinely been improved by our coaching.  I exclude Benteke not because he doesn't fit the pattern but because he's so much better than we would ever have imagined that his real 'level' and the level we expected when he signed are very different, I still don't think he's shown anything to reflect any improvement from training.  Again that's tough though because he's a largely complete striker.

[nick harper]

After reading that I've got nothing but sympathy for the bloke.

Me too. I've got a lot of time for him.

He has got plenty of faults but it's hard to deny, he's being very decent at the moment.

If the gist and figures of that article are correct then I really pray there is a takeover happening. If there isn't, and this dragged on for seasons, just think how damaging that approach would be for the club.

Without being melodramatic, it will take a monumental effort with all the players pulling in the same direction, to get through next season and still be in this league if nothing emerges in terms of new owners. The vibes coming out of the club are very gloomy.

[rob_bridge]

I would imagine Paul Lambert is reasonably wealthy. Why, then, doesn't he resign and start afresh at a club that has considerably less problems for him to worry about?

Good question. Pride ? Loyalty? Either way it's time to just rally behind the team and manager

He also will not get a bigger job.

He may get a better job or a job with better prospects based on circumstances (e.g. Celtic) but I doubt he would ever get a Top 10 sized job in one of the major leagues based on his record at Villa.

On a broader point our coaching has been abject for too long to remember. When was the last we had a genuinely good first team coach. Gregory?

[Clampy]

If the type of player you want isn't available or doesn't want to come do you then abandon any other potential transfers because of it?

Absolutely not. I'm glad he brought Kozak in.

[Chris Smith]

If the type of player you want isn't available or doesn't want to come do you then abandon any other potential transfers because of it?

you could wait a few months to the Jan. window - If you thought the funds would still be there

You could, but I still maintain that if we had not been so hard with injuries we would have stayed comfortably in mid table and much less attention would be given over to these issues. You could argue that injuries are a fact of life in football but we were hit particularly badly by serious injuries to key players at key times.

[Malandro]

After reading that I've got nothing but sympathy for the bloke.

Me too. I've got a lot of time for him.

He has got plenty of faults but it's hard to deny, he's being very decent at the moment.

If the gist and figures of that article are correct then I really pray there is a takeover happening. If there isn't, and this dragged on for seasons, just think how damaging that approach would be for the club.

Without being melodramatic, it will take a monumental effort with all the players pulling in the same direction, to get through next season and still be in this league if nothing emerges in terms of new owners. The vibes coming out of the club are very gloomy.

Its the doom and gloom that wants addressing. I just don't know how you can change that with whats happening.

The fans are nervous, the players and manager seem to be.

[Malandro]

After reading that I've got nothing but sympathy for the bloke.

Me too. I've got a lot of time for him.

He has got plenty of faults but it's hard to deny, he's being very decent at the moment.

If the gist and figures of that article are correct then I really pray there is a takeover happening. If there isn't, and this dragged on for seasons, just think how damaging that approach would be for the club.

Without being melodramatic, it will take a monumental effort with all the players pulling in the same direction, to get through next season and still be in this league if nothing emerges in terms of new owners. The vibes coming out of the club are very gloomy.


yeah I'd agree with that

[supertom]

If this drags on well into next season, and with the situation now well and truly out in the public eye, it's going to be an unwanted distraction for the players. Things like this always seem to have an effect on the pitch. The uncertainty isn't good. They're playing for an owner who doesn't want to be part of the club any more, under a manager who gets sacked if/when the takeover goes through. Also a lot of these players must be aware that a new takeover could well mean a different approach and budget. It brings into question the long term future of just about every player at the club bar perhaps Benteke and Guzan, who are the only Premiership standard players we have with years on their deals left.
Delph and Vlaar are in final years and with the mess the clubs in, if they aren't sorted out, they might feel a move is in order. As for 90% of our cheap signings, they'll likely be out the door because they're not good enough at the end of the day.

I appreciate that Lambert has had a torrid time this season, particularly tail end. He's had all that crap on his shoulders, the Culver and Karsy incident to contend with too, and he's a very limited manager. In retrospect I do think he's done okay to keep us up to be honest.
If I were Lambert I'd walk and be looking for a new club.

[Malandro]

sorry quote fail

[Phil from the upper holte]

It is a shame for him, Lerner is the causer of most of the problems at our club

[David_Nab]

If it drags on and we are relegated , then a sale will happen sooner then as we will lose millions off the valuation price.AVFC will return but Lerner will lose a shit load.

The last club sold in Prem League was Fulham who went for a premium price , spent alot on players and still went down.Would not suprise me if that puts some potential buyers off.

As for Lambert he certainly he doing his best now , I do feel a bit for the guy as I don't think he alone should be fronted up to deal with all the questions.Footballing wise yes but for information on a sale Faulkner should surely be taking some of the heat off him.

[Malandro]

I hope the squad will end up feeling like I do now - I'm behind the club and manager much more than I have been in the last three or four years.

I admit I wanted him out, but until the takeover is done and dusted I think he's probably the only option.

I just hope all this is just a dull memory by kick off.

[olaftab]

Agree 100% Malandro however Lambert needs to focus on task ahead and stop trying to make the world feel sorry for him.

[mattjpa]

Its at times like this you really see the power of the press. I always think im too clever to get duped by shit like this but its starting to turn and this nearly got me. First, well placed friends in the media start peddling stories about the constraints he has had to work uner and start telling us we should be greatful to have him. Even go as far as to try and guilt us into backing him with full support. Then he comes out with this sob story and low and behold everyone starts feeling sorry for him. I would suggest those who are now sympathising remember, this is his squad, his players. These were his coaches. This was his style of football. The recruitment policy was his, nobody elses. He decided to go for youth and enthusiasm and not not mix it with experience. As far as I can see the bomb squad was his idea. The substitutions or lack of them were his doing. The choice to alienate players, like Martin bloody O'Neil the second was his. The records and results are because of what he has done over the last two years.
Nobody forced him to come here and yes it has been hard, probably too much for him at this stage of his career. It will make him a stronger manager and in 5-10years time another club will benefit hugely from this because he has great potential.

I am glad he is here at the moment and thank him for sticking with us through this mess. But when we are taken over, he deserves a thankyou, a pay off and a glowing reference to take with him to his next club. A fresh start needs to be a fresh start.