The Takeover Thread - Recon Group - NOW WITH NEW POLL

[KevinGage]

It's not easy picking cost efficient gems from the lower divisions and Europe and molding them into a competitive side.

It's not easy, but it's achievable.  As Pulis, Martinez, Pardew, Sam Allthepies and other managers have shown countless times before.

Lambert can't do it.  Good guy, thanks for the (largely shite) memories and goodbye.

[pauliewalnuts]

I laugh when people brand Okore as some super solid defender, reality is he played ok for one and a half games in which we both lost. Yes the barcodes we winning before he went off.

I think the form of Baker these last few months puts that in context, so you'll see it's not funny.

What does the form of Baker have to do with the context of Okore being injured most of the season?

[Steve67]

I saw a statistic yesterday, can't recall where, that Villa are THE number one long ball team in the premier division. We purchase underdeveloped players and ask them to lump it. Great coaching. Watching today, the lack of movement was plain to see.

[olaftab]

If we spent £40million over 2 seasons, we've still signed 19 players in that time, and not all of them have been left backs – that's 16 non left backs we've signed! That's almost an average of £2million for every player, and those kinds of players are inevitably hit or miss.

I think you have destroyed the logic of your own argument here. As a competent manager if he does something 3 times and it results in failure than he is no longer fit to do his job. Same will apply to me at my work place. So rather than signing 3 left backs at £2m each he should have signed one good one  costing £6M. Job done but he didn't do that and wasted money on signing hit and miss players  who have been miss and miss. The two year assessment on his capability is damning without doubt.

MON did it with right backs and then put Cuellar there. If you throw in Shorey, then he made the same number of dodgy full-back signings. It sounds good to say "he bought three left backs, therefore he is incompetent," but that's just stupid. You're also using hindsight, which I'm pretty sure makes running a football club much easier. Also, MON did it with full backs we've all heard of, and while spending loads of money – he spent about £5million on each of them!

I am not sure about you but I get assessed every year with hindsight being my manager's biggest aid based on achievements in the past year. So it's a reality and that's what happens. MON was equally incompetent although at a bigger scale. I will say it again if I tried to fix something 3 times (actually I doubt if I would be given a third chance)  and I failed I will be looking for a new job.

[Dave]

I laugh when people brand Okore as some super solid defender, reality is he played ok for one and a half games in which we both lost. Yes the barcodes we winning before he went off.

I think the form of Baker these last few months puts that in context, so you'll see it's not funny.

What does the form of Baker have to do with the context of Okore being injured most of the season?

The the whole "players getting better in peoples' minds when they aren't in the team" isn't really applicable in this case (when it might have been in past - Berson, Cuellar, Reo-Coker) because Baker is the person who actually is in the team in his place.

[RossLeach]

If we spent £40million over 2 seasons, we've still signed 19 players in that time, and not all of them have been left backs – that's 16 non left backs we've signed! That's almost an average of £2million for every player, and those kinds of players are inevitably hit or miss.

I think you have destroyed the logic of your own argument here. As a competent manager if he does something 3 times and it results in failure than he is no longer fit to do his job. Same will apply to me at my work place. So rather than signing 3 left backs at £2m each he should have signed one good one  costing £6M. Job done but he didn't do that and wasted money on signing hit and miss players  who have been miss and miss. The two year assessment on his capability is damning without doubt.

MON did it with right backs and then put Cuellar there. If you throw in Shorey, then he made the same number of dodgy full-back signings. It sounds good to say "he bought three left backs, therefore he is incompetent," but that's just stupid. You're also using hindsight, which I'm pretty sure makes running a football club much easier. Also, MON did it with full backs we've all heard of, and while spending loads of money – he spent about £5million on each of them!

Spent too much on Warnock (but he was a decent left back when he joined us) and certainly on Shorey but Luke Young was a good signing...played well, forced himself into contention for an England call up. It was unfortunate what happened  next and his career never recovered.

(Warnock and Shorey both went backwards under MO'N though. Poor coaching. Something we seem to hear about many managers we have had.).

[Percy McCarthy]

If we got new owners with bundles of money surely they wouldn't just be able to splash it around on top players because of the fair play rules

Not that it matters cus the sale to a multi billionaire ant gona happen anyway, IMO

Really? How's it going at Man City then?

Think they are fighting a 50 million fine with a threat of no champs league if they carry on,
Authorities might well not see it through, but just saying

The CL threat is only being allowed a squad of 21. Anybody with the money to get us into the CL will just pay the fine or hopefully, get it thrown out in court. It's £50m over three years BTW.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I laugh when people brand Okore as some super solid defender, reality is he played ok for one and a half games in which we both lost. Yes the barcodes we winning before he went off.

I think the form of Baker these last few months puts that in context, so you'll see it's not funny.

What does the form of Baker have to do with the context of Okore being injured most of the season?

The the whole "players getting better in peoples' minds when they aren't in the team" isn't really applicable in this case (when it might have been in past - Berson, Cuellar, Reo-Coker) because Baker is the person who actually is in the team in his place.

Except Okore plays on the right which raises the question can Okore and Vlaar play alongside each other? The thought of Vlaar on the left scares me.

[Dave]

I laugh when people brand Okore as some super solid defender, reality is he played ok for one and a half games in which we both lost. Yes the barcodes we winning before he went off.

I think the form of Baker these last few months puts that in context, so you'll see it's not funny.

What does the form of Baker have to do with the context of Okore being injured most of the season?

The the whole "players getting better in peoples' minds when they aren't in the team" isn't really applicable in this case (when it might have been in past - Berson, Cuellar, Reo-Coker) because Baker is the person who actually is in the team in his place.

Except Okore plays on the right which raises the question can Okore and Vlaar play alongside each other? The thought of Vlaar on the left scares me.

I'd have Vlaar anywhere on the pitch if it meant a competent defender replacing Baker.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I laugh when people brand Okore as some super solid defender, reality is he played ok for one and a half games in which we both lost. Yes the barcodes we winning before he went off.

I think the form of Baker these last few months puts that in context, so you'll see it's not funny.

What does the form of Baker have to do with the context of Okore being injured most of the season?

The the whole "players getting better in peoples' minds when they aren't in the team" isn't really applicable in this case (when it might have been in past - Berson, Cuellar, Reo-Coker) because Baker is the person who actually is in the team in his place.

Except Okore plays on the right which raises the question can Okore and Vlaar play alongside each other? The thought of Vlaar on the left scares me.

I'd have Vlaar anywhere on the pitch if it meant a competent defender replacing Baker.

Ha! There is that point in Vlaar's favour.

[silhillvilla]

--------Guzan---------
?      Vlaar  Okore.  ?

?     Delph.   ?       Nzogbia

       Benteke.   ?

The rest can go. (Kids aside eg Grealish robbo)

[Ian.]

If we spent £40million over 2 seasons, we've still signed 19 players in that time, and not all of them have been left backs – that's 16 non left backs we've signed! That's almost an average of £2million for every player, and those kinds of players are inevitably hit or miss.

I think you have destroyed the logic of your own argument here. As a competent manager if he does something 3 times and it results in failure than he is no longer fit to do his job. Same will apply to me at my work place. So rather than signing 3 left backs at £2m each he should have signed one good one  costing £6M. Job done but he didn't do that and wasted money on signing hit and miss players  who have been miss and miss. The two year assessment on his capability is damning without doubt.

MON did it with right backs and then put Cuellar there. If you throw in Shorey, then he made the same number of dodgy full-back signings. It sounds good to say "he bought three left backs, therefore he is incompetent," but that's just stupid. You're also using hindsight, which I'm pretty sure makes running a football club much easier. Also, MON did it with full backs we've all heard of, and while spending loads of money – he spent about £5million on each of them!

Spent too much on Warnock (but he was a decent left back when he joined us) and certainly on Shorey but Luke Young was a good signing...played well, forced himself into contention for an England call up. It was unfortunate what happened  next and his career never recovered.

(Warnock and Shorey both went backwards under MO'N though. Poor coaching. Something we seem to hear about many managers we have had.).

Even Luke Young was bought a year too late meaning his fee doubled.

[Ian.]

If we spent £40million over 2 seasons, we've still signed 19 players in that time, and not all of them have been left backs – that's 16 non left backs we've signed! That's almost an average of £2million for every player, and those kinds of players are inevitably hit or miss.

I think you have destroyed the logic of your own argument here. As a competent manager if he does something 3 times and it results in failure than he is no longer fit to do his job. Same will apply to me at my work place. So rather than signing 3 left backs at £2m each he should have signed one good one  costing £6M. Job done but he didn't do that and wasted money on signing hit and miss players  who have been miss and miss. The two year assessment on his capability is damning without doubt.

The problem is a £6M left back would have been out of our league in wages compared to a £2M version. The idea was we picked up a bargain. That is the main problem though. You might find the odd steal once in a while from the lower divisions but too expect and hope every signing made would turn out like that was very naive from the manager and board.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Stan Collymore
@stancollymore

Aston Villa. No statement tonight, 100% "within a week' .Have been asked o ask again firts thing, so maybe well within a week.
1m ago - Aston Villa


Stan asked the club. There you go. Lerner cant even manage to release a statement in a professional manner.

[supertom]

--------Guzan---------
?      Vlaar  Okore.  ?

?     Delph.   ?       Nzogbia

       Benteke.   ?

The rest can go. (Kids aside eg Grealish robbo)

This.