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Online LeeB

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9105 on: April 07, 2015, 04:35:28 PM »
I've read recently that Bolton and WBA are both valued at £150m.  By comparison we are a snip at that price.
Before you say it, yes I realise the press are probably plucking numbers our of thin air.

Bolton? They're financially crippled.

You've got to factor in their proximity to the northern powerhouse.

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9107 on: April 14, 2015, 08:20:35 PM »
There's no way Bolton are valued at +£150m. Minus perhaps.


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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9110 on: April 14, 2015, 08:29:57 PM »
Bolton are £170m in debt. Who is ever going to buy them?

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9111 on: April 14, 2015, 08:34:35 PM »
Bolton are £170m in debt. Who is ever going to buy them?

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9112 on: April 14, 2015, 09:20:59 PM »
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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9113 on: April 15, 2015, 08:37:24 AM »
Interesting article below from Matt Scott

I think it overstates the retrenchment - surely increased revenue is crucial here and that's the golden goose of TV - but perhaps we are now better placed to push on

Sixpence a year of overspending was all it took to bring misery to the burghers of 19th Century London, as Wilkins Micawber famously observed. Although life in the Premier League today could not be more different to that of Dickensian England, Micawber's lesson is well heeded, for there is little happiness to be found for clubs living beyond their means.

This is something Aston Villa have expensively discovered. In the five years between 1 June 2009 and 31 May 2014, Villa spent fully £117.4 million in cash more than they earned. In the first of those seasons, £44.2 million more was spent than received. Yet although the result was a creditable sixth-place finish in the Premier League with two Wembley appearances to boot: a League Cup final and FA Cup semi-final, all the investment was no platform for future success. In 2010-11, with £16.7 million of overspending, they dropped to ninth, then 16th (on £12.8 million) and 15th in each of the last two completed seasons (£41 million and £2.7 million respectively).

It is clear that the owner, Randy Lerner, feels bruised by this experience and he has put the club on the market for sale, using Bank of America Merrill Lynch to find a buyer. Yet there have been no ready takers. The frequent flirtations with relegation despite the cash drain indicate that Villa would be a massive investment risk for anyone who might take them on.

Yet that simple reading of the situation might not do justice to the truth, as what Villa have achieved over the past five years is a remarkably successful restructuring while still trading as a Premier League entity. At the start of the 2010-11 season, Villa's squad had an average age of 28.73 years. Now, with only three players left from that side (the goalkeeper Brad Guzan, the centre-half Ciaran Clark and the England international midfielder Fabian Delph) the age profile has reduced to 26.4 years.

It seems from reading the league table that while an element of creative destruction is necessary for teams to be successful, this wholesale dumping of playing staff is a risky business. But although it has coincided with difficulties on the pitch, it has not been without its longer-term benefits to Villa off it. The wage bill has reduced substantially over the five-year period since 2009-10. The £10.6 million less spent on wages in 2013-14 than in 2009-10 constituted a reduction of 13.3%, at a time when turnover was rising 22.4%.

Consequently the wages-to-turnover ratio, a key metric for the solvency of any club, fell from the unsustainable 90.6% of 2010-11 to 62.33% in 2013-14. It meant that for the first time Villa were able to produce a genuine operating cash inflow, of £13.3 million, permitting a similar sum to be invested in the transfer market. Although the club did dip more deeply into its overdraft, which now stands at £17.9 million, its overall solvency improved as Lerner withdrew his claim on £90 million of loans he was owed.

The word is, and it is consistent with what the balance sheet suggests, that Villa is available for a purchaser at £100 million. Whoever might be tempted to invest that sum would be buying a club in better shape than its league position indicates. The vast bulk of revenues for the majority English top-division clubs derive from central payments from the Premier League's broadcast arrangements, which in turn are determined by football performance. Yet despite weakness in this area at Villa, they were the eighth-richest team in England and the 22nd richest in all of Europe in 2014, according to the Deloitte Football Money League.

This suggests there is tremendous spare capacity at Villa, where improved football performance would have a ratcheting effect on broadcast revenues. The same can be said of match day receipts, which have suffered an alarming drop since 2009-10. Back then, boosted as they were by the two long cup runs, Villa earned £24.4 million from match day activities. In 2013-14 they received only £12.8 million from that source, having been knocked out of both cup competitions in their first outings. (It is worth pointing out that it seems executive-box rentals, match day sponsorship and hospitality are now accounted for under the 'commercial revenue segment and not the 'match day' one. However, the prior value of Villa's sales in these areas has certainly not been maintained.)

So the opportunity for much better returns from match day activities and broadcasting income exists in the event of improved football performance. There is the flexibility to achieve that without recourse to Lerner's funds through the judicious investment of the club's growing revenues, which, provided Premier League survival is maintained, will increase dramatically from 2016-17.

Villa have the eighth-largest stadium in England, a strong commercial revenue stream, an outstanding training facility and an academy that has produced 75 current professional footballers including nine still at the club. There is much to build on, and the bulk of the hardest work seems now to have been done.

Most clubs who have undertaken a retrenchment like Villa's - reducing the average player's age, wages, transfer spending and cash outflow all at once - have suffered for the experience. Several have paid the devastating ultimate price for it: relegation. [See related article http://bit.ly/1H57Car]

Until now, Premier League survival has been highly expensive for Villa's owner, dearer still than relegation for some clubs. But, provided the future is not as profligate as the past, you do not need to be an eternally optimistic Micawber type to believe that something will turn up for Villa and its owner in the end, whomever that owner may be.

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9114 on: April 21, 2015, 05:33:05 PM »
Good old Ha-may-ez Nursey seems to believe that a Chinese consortiun has thrown their hat in the ring looking at both Villa and the Raggies. Really hope we see a bidding war after ensuring safety.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-takeover-chinese-consortium-5555974

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9115 on: April 21, 2015, 05:44:12 PM »
He's forgotten Gabby in that article ? But a good read to be fair

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9116 on: April 21, 2015, 05:47:28 PM »
Good old Ha-may-ez Nursey seems to believe that a Chinese consortiun has thrown their hat in the ring looking at both Villa and the Raggies. Really hope we see a bidding war after ensuring safety.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-takeover-chinese-consortium-5555974

If they bought Albion, the first time we played them we should put up a big poster of Jim Bowen on Bullseye saying 'look what you could have won.'

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9117 on: April 21, 2015, 05:48:53 PM »
Villa
West Brom
Everton
Palace
Hull
Newcastle

All openly or top button undone to show some skin for sale. But with no actual sales. Not exactly am attractive business the premier league is it?


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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9118 on: April 21, 2015, 05:58:04 PM »
them articles scare me, I know we have nothing in common with sha but ffs no.

the shit Hull and Blackburn are putting up with, not for our club thank you.

No can we have some more reasonable posts,

ie Bill Gates falls in love with Aston Villa.

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Re: The Still Current Lack of an Imminent Takeover Thread WITH CHILDISH POLL
« Reply #9119 on: April 21, 2015, 06:09:00 PM »
You can add Cardiff to that list too...it would appear Chinese, Egyptian/British, Malaysian and Indian takeovers don't have a particularly good track record. Avoid.

edit: edited for political and cultural correctness.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2015, 11:14:38 PM by KRS »

 


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