Lerner/Lambert v Ellis/O'Leary

[brian green]

I am especially anti having no magazine I can put in my tin box in my loft for my great grandchildren to find. 

[Bernie]

Is this the room for an argument?

I've told you once

[Irish villain]

I would say I am pro-Villa and desperate for everybody connected to succeed.

Me and all. And probably everybody who posts on this forum. Except the Birmingham City fans who log in occasionally.....

I still think something has to give somewhere, we can't stay fighting relegation forever and need to face up to whatever isn't working. Villa are a great club and should be doing better.

[AVH87]

Well, there may be the first sign of discontent towards Lerner in his era in the form of banners at Selhurst Park on Saturday.

'Where has the ambition gone?' has apparently been prepared.

[Dave Clark Five]

Still all we get is anti- Ellis. What is pro-Lerner and pro-Lambert? That is more important because it is what we are left with.

Would you indulge with me with something I find at odds?

How come you were so staunchly pro-McLeish until the bitter end, but turned very quickly on Lambert?

I am not saying either opinion is wrong, just wondering at the difference.

Could you enlighten me how quickly I turned on Lambert please?

[ChicagoLion]

I think Lerner has been unlucky, Naïve and sometimes incompetent. His appointment record is awful and I include Faulkner and every Manager since MON.

With our worst Home record ever the bloke is absolutely nowhere to be seen, his absence and silence is damning.

He should be at VP BH sorting this mess out and that includes getting rid of Lambert because there is nothing to be gained by keeping him. But again unfortunately when leadership is required it is not there. It is perfectly understandable why people are turning their attention towards him. I would love him to succeed but I don't think he has the necessary skills support or ambition to achieve anything with Villa. It looks like he has given up.

[Dave Clark Five]

And the pack is out again all this anti/pro bollocks has to stop.Just because somebody doesn't agree it why does take so many of the pro camp to make the point.

It's not a pack though, it's just individual comments made by individual posters.

Just a coincidence that it is always the same ones.

[amfy]

This isn't coincidence, it's because it's what they think, it's a forum, when someone says something you agree or disagree with it, you might make a post agreeing or disagreeing with it!

[Ads]

Still all we get is anti- Ellis. What is pro-Lerner and pro-Lambert? That is more important because it is what we are left with.

Would you indulge with me with something I find at odds?

How come you were so staunchly pro-McLeish until the bitter end, but turned very quickly on Lambert?

I am not saying either opinion is wrong, just wondering at the difference.

Could you enlighten me how quickly I turned on Lambert please?

I think you were one of the first detractors of him last season. I am just curious as to why you defended McLeish to the hilt, but didn't afford Lambert the same leeway.

[Dave Clark Five]

Still all we get is anti- Ellis. What is pro-Lerner and pro-Lambert? That is more important because it is what we are left with.

Would you indulge with me with something I find at odds?

How come you were so staunchly pro-McLeish until the bitter end, but turned very quickly on Lambert?

I am not saying either opinion is wrong, just wondering at the difference.

Could you enlighten me how quickly I turned on Lambert please?

I think you were one of the first detractors of him last season. I am just curious as to why you defended McLeish to the hilt, but didn't afford Lambert the same leeway.

I usually side with the underdog in the first instance. As the shit gets heaped on them more and more, it makes me side with them even more. In this case, Lambert was not the underdog and I rumbled him early on. A similar question could be asked why people stand by Lambert when there is no justifiable reason.
Seconds away....

[Clampy]

Still all we get is anti- Ellis. What is pro-Lerner and pro-Lambert? That is more important because it is what we are left with.

Would you indulge with me with something I find at odds?

How come you were so staunchly pro-McLeish until the bitter end, but turned very quickly on Lambert?

I am not saying either opinion is wrong, just wondering at the difference.

Could you enlighten me how quickly I turned on Lambert please?

I think you were one of the first detractors of him last season. I am just curious as to why you defended McLeish to the hilt, but didn't afford Lambert the same leeway.

I usually side with the underdog in the first instance. As the shit gets heaped on them more and more, it makes me side with them even more. In this case, Lambert was not the underdog and I rumbled him early on. A similar question could be asked why people stand by Lambert when there is no justifiable reason.
Seconds away....

I don't really see anyone siding with Lambert as such. There are a few who want to give him until the end of the season and some who reckon he should be given till Christmas, both of which are fair enough.

[Dave Clark Five]

Still all we get is anti- Ellis. What is pro-Lerner and pro-Lambert? That is more important because it is what we are left with.

Would you indulge with me with something I find at odds?

How come you were so staunchly pro-McLeish until the bitter end, but turned very quickly on Lambert?

I am not saying either opinion is wrong, just wondering at the difference.

Could you enlighten me how quickly I turned on Lambert please?

I think you were one of the first detractors of him last season. I am just curious as to why you defended McLeish to the hilt, but didn't afford Lambert the same leeway.

I usually side with the underdog in the first instance. As the shit gets heaped on them more and more, it makes me side with them even more. In this case, Lambert was not the underdog and I rumbled him early on. A similar question could be asked why people stand by Lambert when there is no justifiable reason.
Seconds away....

I don't really see anyone siding with Lambert as such. There are a few who want to give him until the end of the season and some who reckon he should be given till Christmas, both of which are fair enough.

Trouble with Christmas is, who would be around apart from sacked managers? Close season you have more chance of bending the ear of some still in a job.

[Dave Clark Five]

I should have added 'defensive of the overall regime' rather than just Lambert.

[levico]

ERM... didnt want to start a new thread in case it's rubbish but has anyone else heard the rumour that a takeover is in progress?

[LeeB]

Still all we get is anti- Ellis. What is pro-Lerner and pro-Lambert? That is more important because it is what we are left with.

Would you indulge with me with something I find at odds?

How come you were so staunchly pro-McLeish until the bitter end, but turned very quickly on Lambert?

I am not saying either opinion is wrong, just wondering at the difference.

Could you enlighten me how quickly I turned on Lambert please?

I think you were one of the first detractors of him last season. I am just curious as to why you defended McLeish to the hilt, but didn't afford Lambert the same leeway.

I usually side with the underdog in the first instance. As the shit gets heaped on them more and more, it makes me side with them even more. In this case, Lambert was not the underdog and I rumbled him early on. A similar question could be asked why people stand by Lambert when there is no justifiable reason.
Seconds away....

I don't really see anyone siding with Lambert as such. There are a few who want to give him until the end of the season and some who reckon he should be given till Christmas, both of which are fair enough.

Trouble with Christmas is, who would be around apart from sacked managers? Close season you have more chance of bending the ear of some still in a job.

You're right.

It's a tough call for me. I want him to succeed, but I've got to admit this season has made it hard to believe he will. And I think come the summer we, as a club will be in a better position to rebuild than we were two years before.

So maybe it would be wise to say thanks for all the hard work, but we're going to use someone else for the next phase.