Lerner/Lambert v Ellis/O'Leary

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Ellis also appointed O'Neill...

Just as the takeover was being completed. I have never been convinced MON would have signed up for working under Doug.

It was Dougs last hurrah in front of the cameras.

[Damo70]

Depending on whether or not you believe it he also reckons he saved us from life under Carson.

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That was Gillett and Hicks.

[dave.woodhall]

It took a quarter of a century of Ellis miss-rule to get to that point, with far, far, far more disastrous events occurring in that time.

We're a very patient group of fans.

I'll give you a relegation, but we also had two Wembley wins, two runners up and a few fine sides in that period aswell. We had some mediocrity but I'd settle for that at the moment.

Those trophy wins took 12 years.

[sirlordbaltimore]

The way things are panning out under Randy, we'll be lucky to see a trophy in 22

[Dave Clark Five]

Happier, better times under Herbert:



I get so misty-eyed remembering those halcyon days.

that must be photoshopped Dave because that never happened. Ellis was great compared to that asset stripping Lerner bloke who nobody ever sees.

Must be nice to have a thread where you still have plenty of like-minded people.

[LeeB]

Happier, better times under Herbert:



I get so misty-eyed remembering those halcyon days.

that must be photoshopped Dave because that never happened. Ellis was great compared to that asset stripping Lerner bloke who nobody ever sees.

Must be nice to have a thread where you still have plenty of like-minded people.

Isn't that why we all use Heroes & Villains?

[PeterWithesShin]

I'll always judge Ellis on him treating the manager of the greatest moment in our history with less respect than small heath, and numerous other clubs, did. We'll never forget that Ellis.

[Mister E]

I think Lerner has more empathy with the club than Ellis ever had as Chairman ...

If that surprises you, consider all the altruistic stuff that has taken place that didn't need to happen (Acorns, the Holte Hotel, the Mosaics above the Holte, the free coaches to Chelsea). I cannot imagine HDE doing any of that.
Also, HDE had around 35 years in football involvement; Lerner has had 7-8.

Our Chairman and owner is not a paragon and has much to learn - he really does need a footballing man at his side - but I don't think we should challenge his commitment in sinking £200m into the club.

[Monty]

I think Lerner has more empathy with the club than Ellis ever had as Chairman ...

If that surprises you, consider all the altruistic stuff that has taken place that didn't need to happen (Acorns, the Holte Hotel, the Mosaics above the Holte, the free coaches to Chelsea). I cannot imagine HDE doing any of that.
Also, HDE had around 35 years in football involvement; Lerner has had 7-8.

Our Chairman and owner is not a paragon and has much to learn - he really does need a footballing man at his side - but I don't think we should challenge his commitment in sinking £200m into the club.

Our current owner is almost unambiguously a good man in his off-the-pitch dealings with the club. I just find it hard to see what he sees in some of these managers, though - a board which swings between Martinez and McLeish has no firm grip on matters football.

[Mister E]

I think Lerner has more empathy with the club than Ellis ever had as Chairman ...

If that surprises you, consider all the altruistic stuff that has taken place that didn't need to happen (Acorns, the Holte Hotel, the Mosaics above the Holte, the free coaches to Chelsea). I cannot imagine HDE doing any of that.
Also, HDE had around 35 years in football involvement; Lerner has had 7-8.

Our Chairman and owner is not a paragon and has much to learn - he really does need a footballing man at his side - but I don't think we should challenge his commitment in sinking £200m into the club.

Our current owner is almost unambiguously a good man in his off-the-pitch dealings with the club. I just find it hard to see what he sees in some of these managers, though - a board which swings between Martinez and McLeish has no firm grip on matters football.

You're right, Monty, and I was making a specific point.
Re matters football, words like 'naive', 'uninformed' and 'lacking judgement' spring to mind.

[Monty]

I think Lerner has more empathy with the club than Ellis ever had as Chairman ...

If that surprises you, consider all the altruistic stuff that has taken place that didn't need to happen (Acorns, the Holte Hotel, the Mosaics above the Holte, the free coaches to Chelsea). I cannot imagine HDE doing any of that.
Also, HDE had around 35 years in football involvement; Lerner has had 7-8.

Our Chairman and owner is not a paragon and has much to learn - he really does need a footballing man at his side - but I don't think we should challenge his commitment in sinking £200m into the club.

Our current owner is almost unambiguously a good man in his off-the-pitch dealings with the club. I just find it hard to see what he sees in some of these managers, though - a board which swings between Martinez and McLeish has no firm grip on matters football.

You're right, Monty, and I was making a specific point.
Re matters football, words like 'naive', 'uninformed' and 'lacking judgement' spring to mind.

I do agree with the point you made. The idea that Herbert would've done almost anything good that Lerner has done is a hard one to believe. As for the football, well, I just think that he simply doesn't know enough.

[Dave Javu]

I forgot. It's SIR Herbert.

My apologies.

[saunders_heroes]

Happier, better times under Herbert:



I get so misty-eyed remembering those halcyon days.

that must be photoshopped Dave because that never happened. Ellis was great compared to that asset stripping Lerner bloke who nobody ever sees.

Isn't the real issue that back then the Fans did care and did vent their spleen where as now, everybody is just punch drunk by the now years of mismanagement and piss poor appointments. I think all the protest has been sucked out of the fans. It just feels like we are all walking Zombie like to the Championship.
Lerner is the unqualified architect of this demise, Faulkner his corporate bullshit yes man and Lambert his clueless foreman.

Spot on.

[bertlambshank]

Don't expect Learner to learn from his mistakes any time soon,things at the Browns were getting worse towards the end of his ownership.
Coach after coach with him not turning up to games,we are just his British version.