The Cricket Thread 2014

[PaulWinch again]

Hales needs to work on that sweep, that's twice he's got out to the same shot.

[PaulWinch again]

Our classic middle overs issue we're going nowhere at the moment.

[PaulWinch again]

England losing wickets, not scoring against spinners in the middle overs we just never seem to learn.

[ACVilla]

Ian Bell looking very classy again. No fuss, just picking off easy singles.

[PaulWinch again]

Garbage our upper and middle order is all wrong, there is no imagination or urgency against the spinner.

[PGW]

Garbage our upper and middle order is all wrong, there is no imagination or urgency against the spinner.

I think you have to give due consideration to the quality of the spinners we are facing here, not just about how crap you think we are, if they start smashing spinners will get out.
Cook & Hales started very well against the new ball. Bell is probably the best player of spin in the side but many on here want him out of the side. So who do we replace him with.

[Villan For Life]

Garbage our upper and middle order is all wrong, there is no imagination or urgency against the spinner.

I think you have to give due consideration to the quality of the spinners we are facing here, not just about how crap you think we are, if they start smashing spinners will get out.
Cook & Hales started very well against the new ball. Bell is probably the best player of spin in the side but many on here want him out of the side. So who do we replace him with.

Two of them are part time spinners at best. We panic against any spin bowlers. We are woeful in the short form of the game.

They need to start dominating bowlers, most of them are static at the crease with no real footwork against spin. Utterly pathetic.

[Colhint]

I reckon for the next match, Cook should go to the umpire 30 minutes before the start with 9 sick notes (Bell and Woakes excepted). My mom said we shouldn't do games today but we have bought some other boys who can fill in. Then roll out the Bears

[Chris Jameson]

I really can't get worked up or upset about England losing in yet another one day series that nobody will remember in 3 months time.

[PaulWinch again]

I think it's generally accepted outside the England side itself that we are nearly always behind the curve when it comes to ODIs. For years we have made a mess of the middle overs and particularly against spin. The batting unit is just wrong,you can't have Cook, Bell and Root as 3 of the top 4. There just isn't enough power for this format.

[tomd2103]

Garbage our upper and middle order is all wrong, there is no imagination or urgency against the spinner.

I think you have to give due consideration to the quality of the spinners we are facing here, not just about how crap you think we are, if they start smashing spinners will get out.
Cook & Hales started very well against the new ball. Bell is probably the best player of spin in the side but many on here want him out of the side. So who do we replace him with.

The test series proved that India don't have top class spinners. 

[PaulWinch again]

Completely agree, and also we know that it could be any spinner and England would go into their shell in the middle overs. The England ODI management seems to have been obsessed by stats for years and there seems to be a lack of responsibility and reaction to the match situation.

[tomd2103]

I think it's generally accepted outside the England side itself that we are nearly always behind the curve when it comes to ODIs. For years we have made a mess of the middle overs and particularly against spin. The batting unit is just wrong,you can't have Cook, Bell and Root as 3 of the top 4. There just isn't enough power for this format.

Totally agree.  We've still got the outdated mindset of patting the ball around for 40 overs and then hitting out in the last ten.  I've enjoyed the 50 over domestic tournament so far and its been apparent how different the teams have approached the game in that tournament (there have been so many scores of over 300).  Hales has been given a chance, but this would have been the ideal opportunity to have a look at the likes of Jason Roy, James Vince, James Taylor etc., but no, we stick with the tried and tested. 

Nasser Hussain made a good point in commentary as well about the fact that many of the players went straight from test match cricket into ODIs without playing any domestic cricket in that format.  As a Bears fan, I know Bell and Woakes certainly had a couple of opportunities to play in the 50 over tournament before the internationals started.   

[PaulWinch again]

We shouldn't be picking the ODI team from Test form really, they're very different games.

[PaulWinch again]

I think it's generally accepted outside the England side itself that we are nearly always behind the curve when it comes to ODIs. For years we have made a mess of the middle overs and particularly against spin. The batting unit is just wrong,you can't have Cook, Bell and Root as 3 of the top 4. There just isn't enough power for this format.

Totally agree.  We've still got the outdated mindset of patting the ball around for 40 overs and then hitting out in the last ten.  I've enjoyed the 50 over domestic tournament so far and its been apparent how different the teams have approached the game in that tournament (there have been so many scores of over 300).  Hales has been given a chance, but this would have been the ideal opportunity to have a look at the likes of Jason Roy, James Vince, James Taylor etc., but no, we stick with the tried and tested. 

Nasser Hussain made a good point in commentary as well about the fact that many of the players went straight from test match cricket into ODIs without playing any domestic cricket in that format.  As a Bears fan, I know Bell and Woakes certainly had a couple of opportunities to play in the 50 over tournament before the internationals started.   

Tried, tested and failed. That's the weirdest thing, if we'd had success with our method in the past I could get it, but we've never won a 50 over tournament. It's ridiculous that we keep on continuing with the same tactics.