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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #975 on: June 23, 2014, 03:53:16 PM »
One of the problems is that there isn't an outstanding candidate to replace Cook.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #976 on: June 23, 2014, 04:26:56 PM »
One of the problems is that there isn't an outstanding candidate to replace Cook.

That is the problem, Bell or Broad I guess fit the criteria of being in the side. 

Cook looks like a man with weight of world on his shoulders, certainly seems a while since he was the man with the bat!

Yay, all out! Now let's see some backbone England!

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #977 on: June 23, 2014, 04:28:05 PM »
350 to win......27 overs left tonight with 90 tomorrow...doable and England could/will collapse....mmmm


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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #978 on: June 23, 2014, 05:08:23 PM »
One of the problems is that there isn't an outstanding candidate to replace Cook.

That is the problem, Bell or Broad I guess fit the criteria of being in the side. 

Cook looks like a man with weight of world on his shoulders, certainly seems a while since he was the man with the bat!

Yay, all out! Now let's see some backbone England!

For me it'd be Bell as temporary captain for the visit of India and the return trip to Sri Lanka and then see where we're at.  I'm not convinced he'd want it or be suited to it but right now he's the only player with any experience who is undroppable (with Ballance and Plunkett also undroppable.  Aside from those only really Jordan and Robson deserve to be automatic choices and that's largely because they've done a decent job in the 2 tests they've had a chance in and deserve a chance to see if they can carry on with that).

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #979 on: June 23, 2014, 06:19:47 PM »
This is dismal it's not all Cook's fault at all, Anderson and Broad really let him down as senior bowlers in this innings. It's been a woeful day and now the Sri Lanka's bowlers are showing us how to bowl. However I really think Cook has to go as captain now, whether it's his fault or not he's not getting his team performing and for a year now he hasn't justified his place in the team.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #980 on: June 23, 2014, 06:32:19 PM »
Awful 57-5.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #981 on: June 23, 2014, 06:35:11 PM »
That is up there with our darkest days in the Ashes in the winter.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #982 on: June 23, 2014, 06:35:46 PM »
The biggest issue is that when you're chasing a big total in the 4th innings you need to be able to trust your openers and captain to do the business and set an example. Cook has just done exactly that but in nothing like the way he needed to.

He needs to be replaced,  even if only for a couple of games so he can play some county games and try to get his form back. Right now he's an average captain and a rabbit in the crease. It's doing him no favours to stick with him at the top of the order.
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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #983 on: June 23, 2014, 06:37:11 PM »
Completely agree, this day has been an absolute shambles. Our bowlers got smashed and our batsmen looked like amateurs.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #984 on: June 23, 2014, 06:43:59 PM »
Shows how much a joke setting the huge total last test was as well. Captain has no testicles.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #985 on: June 23, 2014, 06:53:56 PM »
I don't think it shows that at all, but we were absolutely atrocious in every aspect of the game. Cook shouldn't survive this as captain now, and frankly his place in the team should be seriously under threat. Also the level of performance here suggests maybe KP wasn't the issue then Downton?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #986 on: June 23, 2014, 06:56:08 PM »
We will have to agree to disagree on that one, never should 350+ be required to win a test match unless you have no faith in your team.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #987 on: June 23, 2014, 06:57:33 PM »
Let's face it we're an embarrassment.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #988 on: June 23, 2014, 06:58:35 PM »
It is embarrassing the majority of the performances over the last 6 - 8 months have been as bad as I've seen and that includes the 90s.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2014
« Reply #989 on: June 23, 2014, 07:12:10 PM »
I don't think it shows that at all, but we were absolutely atrocious in every aspect of the game. Cook shouldn't survive this as captain now, and frankly his place in the team should be seriously under threat. Also the level of performance here suggests maybe KP wasn't the issue then Downton?

I agree on the last bit, I've been pretty clear in my support of KP, it was pretty obvious that him and Cook didn't get on, Cook used the shit performance down under as an excuse to boot KP out but the problems were much deeper than that.  As I said earlier right now we have 3 players who deserve to stay in the side without question in Bell, Ballance and Plunkett, then 2-3 who are probably safe but need to show more in Root, Robson and Jordan.  Broad and Jimmy are both good bowlers but with Cook as captain they're bowling to protect their economy rate as much as they are to win games, both need to be willing to bowl to a field where they can concede runs so we can get more catchers in when things aren't working, the spread fields protecting the boundaries and offering up cheap singles are killing us.  The worst thing is they had the catcher in for the first innings here and showed we can play like that, yet we abandoned it as soon as they built a partnership in their 2nd innings and ended up handing the series over as tamely as you'll ever see.

 


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