The Cricket Thread 2014

[PGW]

I'm keeping my mouth shut...kiss of death me

[aj2k77]

Bresnan and Dernbach are comfortably two of the worst seamers at this tournament.

[paul_e]

So we lost by 3 after Rod Tucker being incapable of hearing a nick on the toe of the bat cost us 8 runs, great.

[aj2k77]

We lost because the selectors haven't got a clue. Well done to the batting, it's fired pretty well this tournament but been badly let down by sub standard bowlers and terrible fielding.

Please, never select Dernbach and Bresnan in T20's again. Be broad minded, their are much better players in domestic cricket that those 2.

[PaulWinch again]

If concede 190 and then 197 consecutively you're never going to win enough games. Dernbach is never ever good enough.

[Colhint]

this ^ just this ^

[PaulWinch again]

I'm sorry but enough is enough, talk about Dernbach's variations all you want but he's failed too many times. 3 overs for 44, if he'd managed anything respectable we would have one. His England career should be over. England have gone out because our bowling isn't good enough, and whilst he wasn't bad today Bresnan should go as well.

[pooligan]

How bad does Dernbach have to be to be dropped ?

[Rotterdam]

I can't stand his soppy tattoos and hair either.

[PaulWinch again]

Time's up for Dernbach all the talk for of his variations just hasn't come to fruition and it's time to move on. I think Bresnan should go as well, the bowling has cost us in this tournament, no doubt.

[paul_e]

Dernbach was terrible in his 3rd over and his fielding is weak.  I still think he's a better bowler than most seem to think but he's had a stinker in this tournament.

In real terms I want my bowlers aiming for 1-2 wickets a match and an average economy of 7.5 or better, get around that area with 3-4 bowlers and you'll dominate in t20.  Jordan, Broad and Tredwell all offer that, Bopara offers it but doesn't get a look in.  I'm happy with Ali and Root as option bowlers so 1 more front line bowler would be enough.  If Dernbach can get to his best form I think he's a good shout for that place but we really need to look at some other options as well.  Rankin obviously got his chance (which was fully deserved on his figures in the short forms) but hasnt been able to follow up on it but there are 2-3 others who've been doing very well in the domestic league.  We really need a few English bowlers in the IPL and BigBash though to get used to other conditions.

[PaulWinch again]

I agree 1-2 wickets per match and an economy of under 7.5 per over makes a good Twenty20 bowler. However Bresnan and Dernbach don't offer that and enough is enough, they are not the future, they haven't performed in the present and we need to move on. Let's look at it, the batsmen have done well in this tournament, but we've conceded 189, 197 and 50 + in 5 overs which tells you the bowlers aren't performing. There's a couple of reasons for that, firstly Bresnan and Dernbach simply aren't good enough and secondly Broad isn't bowling the right bowlers.

[PaulWinch again]

"I like to give someone a good long run but this lad at the moment - he doesn't bat much, he's not had a great tournament in the field, so he's going to have to be a seriously good bowler if he's going to play in this side and from what we've seen in the last year he hasn't nailed death bowling at all.'

I think Nasser Hussain's opinion of Dernbach sums him up.

[PaulWinch again]

If England sort their bowling line up then they've got a decent side. Most countries tend to use their best bowlers in all formats, and regardless of recent form there is no-one who can seriously say Dernbach is a better option than Anderson.

[tomd2103]

Time's up for Dernbach all the talk for of his variations just hasn't come to fruition and it's time to move on. I think Bresnan should go as well, the bowling has cost us in this tournament, no doubt.

Agree and I can't really understand why Dernbach in particular was persevered with in this game (although I accept that there weren't too many other options in the squad).  We were unlucky that the NZ game cost us so dearly, but can't help but wonder if things might have been different with Pietersen batting at three.