The Cricket Thread 2014

[eastie]

I hope Trott isn't expecting to walk back into the England team.

Me too, rather see him banging the runs for warwickshire this season as England rebuild.

[OzVilla]

Sounds like that's exactly what he does expect. 

Would send a terrible precedent if he's allowed to walk straight back in imo.   

[Chris Jameson]

I bet the Australians are loving this, he's basically confirmed he couldn't handle Johnson.

[PGW]

England being dismantled by Chris Gayle this morning in warm up match, we only made 131 WI are 77 - 0 in 9th over

[peter w]

There was nothing to suggest that Trott was depressed when he left the tour. It also shows that there is still a lack of understanding about depression and the handling of it. I don't think Vaughan's comments are appropriate at all. We just don't know what went on but it appears that it was burn out, which can lead to stress and a breakdown. That is something different to depression but can still affect the person physically and mentally.

Trott is the only person for me that still comes out of it with any credit. He knew he was having a problem and left. Knowing that you will be in teh full galre of the media and nation I doubt that eh went home because he couldn't face Johnson. This is an intenrational cricketer who was averaging 50 until very recently. They aren' the stats of someone who couldn't face one good fast bowler.

I hope Trott gets runs quickly and regains his drive. England, and Warwickshire, need him. Oh, as do Birmingham Bears.

[PGW]

England being dismantled by Chris Gayle this morning in warm up match, we only made 131 WI are 77 - 0 in 9th over

England lost with 4 overs to spare.....Gayle 58 no (38)

[PaulWinch again]

A standard battering then, not good enough.

[aj2k77]

Bresnan, Dernbach, Bell. They should not be in any t20 squads.

[pooligan]

Michael Vaughan is trying to be the new Geoff Boycott .Listening to him on TMS drives me to sleep

[Villan For Life]

Michael Vaughan is trying to be the new Geoff Boycott .Listening to him on TMS drives me to sleep

Trouble is, just like Boycott he talks a lot of sense.

[OzVilla]

I bet the Australians are loving this, he's basically confirmed he couldn't handle Johnson.

They do, they also think Warner has largely been vindicated and that Trott was in fact weak.

I just nod my head, partly because I agree and partly because it's easier that way to get them off the subject.  The tour from hell that even now keeps kicking you in the bollocks.

[peter w]

But Trott was neither 'weak' or was Warner 'vindicated'. Just because its the new vogue to want to cozy up and pretend to care for and understand those with depression as if it'll earn you a carer's badge, that doesn't mean that everyone else who has any stress related problem can be dismissed so lightly and out of hand.

It's ironic that those who are having a pop at Trott are being like most of us before depression became the new buzz illness that we could care about. Whereas before sufferers were belittled and mocked, now anyone who may have stress, or a breakdown, or just being overworked and needing a break is similarly being mocked and dismissed.

It shows that we can only pretend to understand one mental problem at a time. Or even care about it. Vauhgan is totally out of order here and is being as ignorant as those that never sought to understand the problems of those with depression. It is very poor and and the BBC shouldn't be giving him a platform to spout his shite.

[PaulWinch again]

But Trott was neither 'weak' or was Warner 'vindicated'. Just because its the new vogue to want to cozy up and pretend to care for and understand those with depression as if it'll earn you a carer's badge, that doesn't mean that everyone else who has any stress related problem can be dismissed so lightly and out of hand.

It's ironic that those who are having a pop at Trott are being like most of us before depression became the new buzz illness that we could care about. Whereas before sufferers were belittled and mocked, now anyone who may have stress, or a breakdown, or just being overworked and needing a break is similarly being mocked and dismissed.

It shows that we can only pretend to understand one mental problem at a time. Or even care about it. Vauhgan is totally out of order here and is being as ignorant as those that never sought to understand the problems of those with depression. It is very poor and and the BBC shouldn't be giving him a platform to spout his shite.

Completely agree, even if it wasn't what others have suffered from you can see from Trott's interview that he's still emotionally impacted by it. Dismissing it as bottling it is completely out of order.

[OzVilla]

But Trott was neither 'weak' or was Warner 'vindicated'. Just because its the new vogue to want to cozy up and pretend to care for and understand those with depression as if it'll earn you a carer's badge, that doesn't mean that everyone else who has any stress related problem can be dismissed so lightly and out of hand.

It's ironic that those who are having a pop at Trott are being like most of us before depression became the new buzz illness that we could care about. Whereas before sufferers were belittled and mocked, now anyone who may have stress, or a breakdown, or just being overworked and needing a break is similarly being mocked and dismissed.

It shows that we can only pretend to understand one mental problem at a time. Or even care about it. Vauhgan is totally out of order here and is being as ignorant as those that never sought to understand the problems of those with depression. It is very poor and and the BBC shouldn't be giving him a platform to spout his shite.

Completely agree, even if it wasn't what others have suffered from you can see from Trott's interview that he's still emotionally impacted by it. Dismissing it as bottling it is completely out of order.

I know it all about opinions and I totally disagree chaps.

But anyway that aside, why was he on the tour at all if this was going on. Sorry but Trott has to take some responsibility here for something doesnt he?

This wasn't some stationery sales convention he was attending it was an Ashes tour. If he wasn't right (and we can have differing views on the reasons) why was he there and why was he picked. What was Trott doing and what was Flower doing.

Unless of course the stress come up when the crowd got hostile and Johnson revved up to 150 clicks. If that was the catalyst he was a bottler. If he was already struggling he should have not been there in the first place.

Either way, he did let his team down (as did Greame Swann).

[paul_e]

He was there because it's not manly to admit you've got a problem and be rested, you just "suck it up and get on with it".  To me him going on the tour and this article since point to him having a pretty dated opinion on mental health issues, so much so that he's trying to distance himself from them.  There are pretty obvious differences in brain patterns between a normally functioning brain and that of someone suffering from depression:



These differences manifest in other ways as well.  I'd be alarmed if the ECB sent a tour party to Australia without medical staff who have an understanding of this and I'm pretty sure they'll have done more than just send him home to rest.  He might want to say he's just had a bit of burn out but he's now ready to return but that doesn't mean the medical team share that opinion.  If they'd said he'd left the tour for personal reasons I'd think they were unsure but at the time it sounded like they had something more than that.