Cardiff City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[AlexAlexCropley]

I though Saturday was the worst I'd seen from our forwards as a unit,but tonight tops that.No problem with defence or mid, but oh my fucking god Benteke needs dropping.And Bennett going forward offers something.

[PeterWithesShin]

It's not so much rampant depression. It's that you come through games and you look at West Ham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Norwich and think well we should be getting at least 7 points there. Now in order to do that we need to win the next two games. Our performance against West Ham and our first half here are nowhere near acceptable. In the second half at least we appeared to realise we need to pass the ball, but how many times until Lambert actually learns that's the way for us to succeed?

I don't think it's Lambert telling them to play crap, I just think the players aren't very good.  But we should have enough to stay up and then he needs to buy some decent players in the Summer.

That's what I thought last year and look what he bought.

I think most of them are capable, we've seen that from them a number of times. It's just consistency, and I wonder if confidence plays a big part?

[Ad@m]

It's not so much rampant depression. It's that you come through games and you look at West Ham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Norwich and think well we should be getting at least 7 points there. Now in order to do that we need to win the next two games. Our performance against West Ham and our first half here are nowhere near acceptable. In the second half at least we appeared to realise we need to pass the ball, but how many times until Lambert actually learns that's the way for us to succeed?

I don't think it's Lambert telling them to play crap, I just think the players aren't very good.  But we should have enough to stay up and then he needs to buy some decent players in the Summer.

That's what I thought last year and look what he bought.

Last Summer though we still had Bent, Ireland, Given, etc on the books.  Hopefully this Summer we'll have none of those and as a result at least another £150k of wages per week to spend.

[richard moore]

When we stumble across the line in thirteenth or fourteenth in May about two points clear of the five or six clubs bunched below us, we really need to take a good, long, honest look at ourselves and ask if this cycle of shite is acceptable for a club like ours.

As ever Irish, I completely agree! And do you think anyone will actually do that or enact any of the serious changes that are needed? Not on your bloody life. We just lurch from one game to the next, seemingly not in control for one second of how we play at any given point in a game, forever destined to lurch between about 10th and 15th. If we're lucky. Our expectations have been dumbed down brilliantly by someone and I'm never quite sure how it happened...

[pauliewalnuts]

It's not so much rampant depression. It's that you come through games and you look at West Ham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Norwich and think well we should be getting at least 7 points there. Now in order to do that we need to win the next two games. Our performance against West Ham and our first half here are nowhere near acceptable. In the second half at least we appeared to realise we need to pass the ball, but how many times until Lambert actually learns that's the way for us to succeed?

I don't think it's Lambert telling them to play crap, I just think the players aren't very good.  But we should have enough to stay up and then he needs to buy some decent players in the Summer.

I don't think Lambert tells them to play crap, but I do think that it is worth remembering that he's the only person in a position to influence the way they play.

Also, it's worth noting that he needed to buy some decent players last summer, too, and failed.

The second half was decent, if blunt.

The first 10 minutes of the first half were ok, but the following 35 minutes were utterly abysmal.

[saunders_heroes]

West Ham were in the relegation zone just a week ago, now they're above us in the top half. Anyone who thinks we're comfortably mid-table are living in cloud cuckoo land. We need wins.

[levico]

I don't think many will share my view but I think we are like a slow motion car crash. We don't win against the likes of West Ham and Cardiff and show no likelihood of changing this (PL can't or won't learn and the players seem to be losing heart and commitment).

Next we'll start playing decent sides and will lose badly .... Where's this pattern going to take us to? You fill in the blank.

[pauliewalnuts]

West Ham were in the relegation zone just a week ago, now they're above us in the top half. Anyone who thinks we're comfortably mid-table are living in cloud cuckoo land. We need wins.

Yup

[richard moore]

It's not so much rampant depression. It's that you come through games and you look at West Ham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Norwich and think well we should be getting at least 7 points there. Now in order to do that we need to win the next two games. Our performance against West Ham and our first half here are nowhere near acceptable. In the second half at least we appeared to realise we need to pass the ball, but how many times until Lambert actually learns that's the way for us to succeed?

I don't think it's Lambert telling them to play crap, I just think the players aren't very good.  But we should have enough to stay up and then he needs to buy some decent players in the Summer.

I'll run naked through Chichester if the latter happens. No bloody chance

[Monty]

I do think Lambert essentially tells them to play crap, in that he thinks that passing along the ground and aimless punting are equal options, to be used in the appropriate situation, whereas one of them is 'football' (in the sense of kicking the ball with the foot), and the other one is 'fucking stupid'.

[Ad@m]

West Ham were in the relegation zone just a week ago, now they're above us in the top half. Anyone who thinks we're comfortably mid-table are living in cloud cuckoo land. We need wins.

We're not comfortable but West Ham have had a fantastic run and we've fallen the grand total of 1 place in the league.  People keep talking about how many points away from relegation we are but for us to end up in trouble would mean 7 out of 9 teams below us go on runs like West Ham's.

It's just not going to happen.

[richard moore]

I do think Lambert essentially tells them to play crap, in that he thinks that passing along the ground and aimless punting are equal options, to be used in the appropriate situation, whereas one of them is 'football' (in the sense of kicking the ball with the foot), and the other one is 'fucking stupid'.

He's not very bright and has appalling communication skills I suspect. For which read 90% of current and ex footballers

[richard moore]

West Ham were in the relegation zone just a week ago, now they're above us in the top half. Anyone who thinks we're comfortably mid-table are living in cloud cuckoo land. We need wins.

We're not comfortable but West Ham have had a fantastic run and we've fallen the grand total of 1 place in the league.  People keep talking about how many points away from relegation we are but for us to end up in trouble would mean 7 out of 9 teams below us go on runs like West Ham's.

It's just not going to happen.

Probably true Adam but that's not great is it. Not that you are saying it is of course. But this now seems the sum total of our focus every year, I must have read that post or similar a 1000 times on here over the last few seasons. Welcome to the world of Aston Villa, now and for bloody ever it seems

[PaulWinch again]

West Ham were in the relegation zone just a week ago, now they're above us in the top half. Anyone who thinks we're comfortably mid-table are living in cloud cuckoo land. We need wins.

We're not comfortable but West Ham have had a fantastic run and we've fallen the grand total of 1 place in the league.  People keep talking about how many points away from relegation we are but for us to end up in trouble would mean 7 out of 9 teams below us go on runs like West Ham's.

It's just not going to happen.

It's not just about relegation. I don't think we'll be relegated, but since when did we define ourselves on how awful other teams are? It's not acceptable for Aston Villa to say 'we're alright because a few other teams are worse'. It's pathetic, we should aspire to a bit more than that.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's not so much rampant depression. It's that you come through games and you look at West Ham, Cardiff, Newcastle, Norwich and think well we should be getting at least 7 points there. Now in order to do that we need to win the next two games. Our performance against West Ham and our first half here are nowhere near acceptable. In the second half at least we appeared to realise we need to pass the ball, but how many times until Lambert actually learns that's the way for us to succeed?

I don't think it's Lambert telling them to play crap, I just think the players aren't very good.  But we should have enough to stay up and then he needs to buy some decent players in the Summer.

That's what I thought last year and look what he bought.

Last Summer though we still had Bent, Ireland, Given, etc on the books.  Hopefully this Summer we'll have none of those and as a result at least another £150k of wages per week to spend.

We don't have Ireland on the books at all, he's gone to Stoke. Bent is being paid by Fulham. Given is still here.

It's really not the greatest of barriers to ambition.