The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[curiousorange]

Even in the darkest depths of our situation, there are a handful of managers I would put even below Lambert in the 'wouldn't want them to even be considered' list. Holloway, Pulis, Warnock, Di Canio, Jewell, Coyle, Irvine, Pearce...actually, that's rather more than a handful, but i'm not quite in the "anyone but Lambert" camp.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

And this thing about him getting Palace to play exciting, attractive football? I would argue that being as he hardly had a chance to bring anybody in, Pulis had a squad of players that were the last kind of players he'd have chosen. What Palace needed was organisation, and let's face it, when you've had Neil Warnock as boss, Pulis must have felt like getting Rinus Michels in.

But isn't that the point?  Pulis showed that he's capable of of moulding his style to the players at his disposal.  Something Lambert's shown over and over again is way beyond him.

And PS I absolutely wouldn't want Pulis in charge, but at this stage anyone is preferable to Lambert!

Exactly.

I think he'd get our players performing much closer to their potential - in regard to the club's aim - survival? -  than Lambert is doing.
He seems totally at sea.
A Pulis type would at least see us over the line, give us time to look for a "proper" coach/manager for the longer haul.
I know that's not realistic perhaps, but neither is having a consistently failing manager being given a 4 year contract to continue doing a job in a completely shite way.

[Ad@m]

As someone wrote recently, appointing Pulis means abandoning any pretences you might have about style, and any hopes of success, in return for finishing a guaranteed fourteenth. You can't bemoan downgraded expectations and want him as manager.

And yet in 3 of his 4 seasons at Stoke he finished higher than 14th, got them to an FA Cup Final and got them as far in the UEFA Cup as MON and £200m got us.

[curiousorange]

Again, people coming up with the 'short term solution' argument. Realistically, it doesn't work like that unless you're promoting from within. Some out of work manager is not going to swoop in, get to 40 points and then leave for nothing with a song in his heart.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Keown is absolutely right, he has the players but has no idea how to use them. Perhaps we should keep him on as a scout whilst getting a proper manager in.

I wouldn't keep him to lick the stamps to be honest.

[Des Little]

Bollocks to keeping him. Show the clown the door and get someone in with half a clue how to coach a team.

[andyh]

5 want him to continue!!

[Clark W Griswold]

Even in the darkest depths of our situation, there are a handful of managers I would put even below Lambert in the 'wouldn't want them to even be considered' list. Holloway, Pulis, Warnock, Di Canio, Jewell, Coyle, Irvine, Pearce...actually, that's rather more than a handful, but i'm not quite in the "anyone but Lambert" camp.

I would agree on all of those except Pulis who I would much sooner have than Lambert. In terms of his record at Stoke and Palace, I'm suprised anyone wouldn't. Ok the football was cynical at Stoke, but whilst Lerner still runs the club, who gives a shit. He's perfect for a no spending, no frills outfit like we are at the moment.

[Des Little]

5 want him to continue!!

I want names and home addresses if these sick, depraved people.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Again, people coming up with the 'short term solution' argument. Realistically, it doesn't work like that unless you're promoting from within. Some out of work manager is not going to swoop in, get to 40 points and then leave for nothing with a song in his heart.

Which is why I said it's not realistic.
It's clutching at straws because we can all see the shit that's happening but feel helpless. Surely the Big Cheese can see it too, but is doing absolutely f**k all about it.
If it was me I'd clutch a straw - If it ain't working, change it.

[saunders_heroes]

Again, people coming up with the 'short term solution' argument. Realistically, it doesn't work like that unless you're promoting from within. Some out of work manager is not going to swoop in, get to 40 points and then leave for nothing with a song in his heart.

Which is why I said it's not realistic.
It's clutching at straws because we can all see the shit that's happening but feel helpless. Surely the Big Cheese can see it too, but is doing absolutely f**k all about it.
If it was me I'd clutch a straw - If it ain't working, change it.

The "Big Cheese" couldn't give a flying fuck about Aston Villa, and is the cause of all our troubles right now, sadly.

[RussellC]

Again, people coming up with the 'short term solution' argument. Realistically, it doesn't work like that unless you're promoting from within. Some out of work manager is not going to swoop in, get to 40 points and then leave for nothing with a song in his heart.

You mean like Pulis did with Palace last season...? ;-)

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Even in the darkest depths of our situation, there are a handful of managers I would put even below Lambert in the 'wouldn't want them to even be considered' list. Holloway, Pulis, Warnock, Di Canio, Jewell, Coyle, Irvine, Pearce...actually, that's rather more than a handful, but i'm not quite in the "anyone but Lambert" camp.

I would agree on all of those except Pulis who I would much sooner have than Lambert. In terms of his record at Stoke and Palace, I'm suprised anyone wouldn't. Ok the football was cynical at Stoke, but whilst Lerner still runs the club, who gives a shit. He's perfect for a no spending, no frills outfit like we are at the moment.

The thing is, the football at every club, across the world, at this level, IS cynical.
Spuds were struggling and did us over, then Hull, then some other lovely team. They went shooting up the table and apparently added a side to their game that had been long lacking. (cheating? not being outplayed? outcheated?)

I don't think for one second we're going to get special awards for being cuddly and honest and spiffing.
I've always said: if we won every scrappy game 1-0 Villa Park would be full and we'd all be a lot happier.


Pulis's Stoke/Palace didn't do it every game, but they did a lot of it and the fans enjoyed the success that came with it.
 

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Again, people coming up with the 'short term solution' argument. Realistically, it doesn't work like that unless you're promoting from within. Some out of work manager is not going to swoop in, get to 40 points and then leave for nothing with a song in his heart.

Which is why I said it's not realistic.
It's clutching at straws because we can all see the shit that's happening but feel helpless. Surely the Big Cheese can see it too, but is doing absolutely f**k all about it.
If it was me I'd clutch a straw - If it ain't working, change it.

The "Big Cheese" couldn't give a flying fuck about Aston Villa, and is the cause of all our troubles right now, sadly.

I think he does give a flying fuck - he just doesn't care enough - the way we do.
And you're right s_h, therein lies the cause of all our troubles.

[curiousorange]

Again, people coming up with the 'short term solution' argument. Realistically, it doesn't work like that unless you're promoting from within. Some out of work manager is not going to swoop in, get to 40 points and then leave for nothing with a song in his heart.

Which is why I said it's not realistic.
It's clutching at straws because we can all see the shit that's happening but feel helpless. Surely the Big Cheese can see it too, but is doing absolutely f**k all about it.
If it was me I'd clutch a straw - If it ain't working, change it.

The "Big Cheese" couldn't give a flying fuck about Aston Villa, and is the cause of all our troubles right now, sadly.

I completely agree - if there was an Olympic medal for wanting Lambert to get the boot, i'd have broken the record. But anyone who replaces him has to get signed to a multi-year deal. Whether they choose to say goodbye at the end of the season or stay til the bitter end is not the point - nobody gets to sign a manager for five months just because we want it to happen.