The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

brian your posts tend to irk me because they're always always the same about how long you've supported Villa and how bad Lambert is. today i clicked on this seeing your name hoping for something from you to confirm how I feel. I'm dreadfully pissed off and and those who saw the 3rd division can bring some perspective. But also they should be the rallying call. Fuck this lads, we've been there and we know how this shit ends up.

I was about 11/12/13/14 during those dark years but remember them even more keenly because so many of my schoolmates followed ManU, never went to games, knew nothing about being at a match and seeing your heroes close up etc. I know I will have felt gutted at the time but I can't remember the sense of embarrassment I often feel now. As a youngster I probably saw things more simply and was always optimistic. Now I just feel a sense of despair that the club has struggled in the past but seems to be quite content to carry on struggling, in spite of what's happened to Leeds, Blackburn, Forest, Wigan etc.
Years ago when we were near the bottom, I always thought we'd come back.
The modern Sky/PL package doesn't seem to give that same sense of naïve hope that probably ALL supporters of ALL football clubs have.

Ideally a new owner - and the changes that that brings.
Shorter term and more effective for the players/team/performance, I want Lambert gone please.

[silhillvilla]

"We " ? I never wanted lambert !

[rob_bridge]

The sainted Pulis didn't do a great job keeping Tottingham at bay yesterday.

I can't believe anyone wanted Pulis.

Haven't they been watching us for the last four years?

Why replace a relic of a manager with yet another fucking relic?

The problem we have with Lambert isn't that we were wrong to want a progressive manager, it is that Lambert turned out not to be it. The thinking was still sound.

Paulie the only thing I'll say is that Pullis is a modern day, effective relic instead of expring / expired relics like MON, Houllier and McLeish (yes they may have had different stlyes). Lambert has been a big let down - we were 'promised' progressive attacking football instead we have turgid fear based shite.

We have no one, to my knowledge, on the board who is able to identify a suitable alternative other than by sheer luck

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't want a relic, effective or not.

Why would anyone want to top a year of McLeish followed by three years of the unwatchable dirge of Lambert with giving the likes of Pulis, the god of anti-football, a three or four year contract?

I've had enough of this shit. That means one thing I definitely wouldn't want to replace it with is even more of this shit.

[pauliewalnuts]

No, the thinking wasn't sound it was the board/owner listening to us. We got it wrong with Lambert and they/he got it wrong with TSM/Houliier. Feck knows what happens next.

This is the board which appointed McLeish. It was nothing to do with them doing what we wanted. Look what they're doing now, do they strike you as a leadership in thrall to the fans?

It looked at the time like a sensible appointment. Lots of people supported it. That doesn't mean that it was made because lots of people supported it, though.

Sadly, events since then have shown that the job is much too big for Lambert, and it is going to shit. I just hope they realise it before it is too late. Unfortunately, I don't think they will.

We are going to get what they absolutely deserve - relegation.

[Dave]

"We " ? I never wanted lambert !

In which case you were in the minority when we were searching for a manager two and a half years ago.

To which polls on this site and various others around the time will attest.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

As I've said, I'm not a Pulis fan...AT THE MOMENT just a fan of anyone, a decent coach, who could make more of the footballing talent we have available.
Lambert clearly isn't doing that.
I admit to be clutching at straws with the Pulis reference, but I have seen us outwitted and outplayed so many times, whether 8-0 by Chelsea or 3-1 by Bradford ffs! Then Milwall, then Blades, then Leyton Orient...
There is no philosophy, belief, style, approach, call it what I like, about Lambert's way, that comes anywhere close to what we thought/expected. And he's had 2 and half seasons at it. And it's getting worse.

I hate the idea of Pulis...but the reality of Lambert is taking us down.
Baggies got beat by a good Spuds side on Sat....following 4 "good" results which sees their trend as upward. We are going in the opposite direction following our easy Christmas fixtures. Now we've got the tough ones again.

Ads in!
Again.

[Holte L2]

Just got back from the game. (Boozy day) Has he gone yet?

[rob_bridge]

I don't want a relic, effective or not.

Why would anyone want to top a year of McLeish followed by three years of the unwatchable dirge of Lambert with giving the likes of Pulis, the god of anti-football, a three or four year contract?

I've had enough of this shit. That means one thing I definitely wouldn't want to replace it with is even more of this shit.

I'd rather not have him, believe me. I'd rather him than the next selection likely as not- probably Stuart Pearce knowing out board.

[hilts_coolerking]

I don't want a relic, effective or not.

Why would anyone want to top a year of McLeish followed by three years of the unwatchable dirge of Lambert with giving the likes of Pulis, the god of anti-football, a three or four year contract?

I've had enough of this shit. That means one thing I definitely wouldn't want to replace it with is even more of this shit.

For me the point about Pulis is not so much that he's a purveyor of shitty retro football or, much less, that we should appoint him, but that he'd almost certainly do a better job than Lambert.  He's a good indication of the depth of the shit we're in.

[silhillvilla]

"We " ? I never wanted lambert !

In which case you were in the minority when we were searching for a manager two and a half years ago.

To which polls on this site and various others around the time will attest.

I didn't think there was such a groundswell for him but I may be wrong.

[hilts_coolerking]

"We " ? I never wanted lambert !

In which case you were in the minority when we were searching for a manager two and a half years ago.

To which polls on this site and various others around the time will attest.

Although I thought we could have done better than Lambert I could understand why they chose him.  The error wasn't giving him the job; it's not taking it off him.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't want a relic, effective or not.

Why would anyone want to top a year of McLeish followed by three years of the unwatchable dirge of Lambert with giving the likes of Pulis, the god of anti-football, a three or four year contract?

I've had enough of this shit. That means one thing I definitely wouldn't want to replace it with is even more of this shit.

For me the point about Pulis is not so much that he's a purveyor of shitty retro football or, much less, that we should appoint him, but that he'd almost certainly do a better job than Lambert.  He's a good indication of the depth of the shit we're in.

That's the thing, though.

On the one hand you have:

"Lambert is such a pitiful manager, he's awful"

Which means that, by definition, he is one of the worst options out there.

"Pulis would do a better job than Lambert"

Which means absolutely nothing. If Lambert is so piss poor, being "better than Lambert" is surely the emptiest praise?

[rob_bridge]

Just got back from the game. (Boozy day) Has he gone yet?

Nope - there is no good news today.

England got battered by the Aussies in the cricket. For context - Bad.
Villa got battered by the Arse. Really Really Really Bad
My New England Patriots gear is safely locked away I fear a rampant Seahawks later. Probably Quite Bad

[pauliewalnuts]

"We " ? I never wanted lambert !

In which case you were in the minority when we were searching for a manager two and a half years ago.

To which polls on this site and various others around the time will attest.

Although I thought we could have done better than Lambert I could understand why they chose him.  The error wasn't giving him the job; it's not taking it off him.

Precisely.