The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[JUAN PABLO]

The people who voted no , just want see to see more goals in the championship next season.

[PaulTheVillan]

The people who voted no , just want see to see more goals in the championship next season.

We'd struggle there.

[pauliewalnuts]

This is where the 8/82 protest went wrong. The protest should have been firmly aimed at Lambert.

Yes we all know Lerner needs to go, but let's get things into perspective: it's going to be much easier for the fans to get rid of the manager than the owner. Unless some fans know a few multi-billionaires.

Sure but then what - getting rid of the symptom wont fix the cause. It'll make you feel better for a few months only until the same underlying problem returns

Well, we might see another manager get something approaching the best out of the squad.

Lambert has failed hugely. The worst thing about this current goalless run is that it comes after all the other abysmal runs he has given us.

We are currently on course to become the lowest scoring team in premier league history.

I appreciate Lambert has had less money than some previous managers but that really only washes if you can say he has got the best out of what he has got.

He hasn't, though, not by a long shot, and as time passes he looks more and more incapable of improving us.

At the simplest level, football is supposed to be fun. We are about as far from fun as it is possible to be.

[aev]

This is where the 8/82 protest went wrong. The protest should have been firmly aimed at Lambert.

Yes we all know Lerner needs to go, but let's get things into perspective: it's going to be much easier for the fans to get rid of the manager than the owner. Unless some fans know a few multi-billionaires.

Sure but then what - getting rid of the symptom wont fix the cause. It'll make you feel better for a few months only until the same underlying problem returns

Well, we might see another manager get something approaching the best out of the squad.

Lambert has failed hugely. The worst thing about this current goalless run is that it comes after all the other abysmal runs he has given us.

We are currently on course to become the lowest scoring team in premier league history.

I appreciate Lambert has had less money than some previous managers but that really only washes if you can say he has got the best out of what he has got.

He hasn't, though, not by a long shot, and as time passes he looks more and more incapable of improving us.

At the simplest level, football is supposed to be fun. We are about as far from fun as it is possible to be.

Exactly, and to be honest we DO have some decent players....he just seems incapable of getting anything coherent out of them.

[curiousorange]

One of the things that winds me up about the media take on our situation is that the club's financial position has a direct correlation with performance on the pitch - if Lerner can't be arsed to spend any money, then Paul Lambert, by keeping us anywhere outside of the bottom three, must be doing a sterling job. They don't seem to appreciate that clubs who properly spend peanuts, or who are in dire financial straits, are capable of playing some committed, sometimes brilliant, football. The one that springs to mind is Portsmouth reaching the 2010 FA Cup Final as they were basically touching bankruptcy.

It's as if we as fans have to be realistic - how can we be expected to be entertained when we don't spend any money? It drives me spare; Lambert is a terrible, ineffective manager but the squad he's put together would be safe by now if somebody else got their hands on it. I mean, what's Eddie Howe's budget? How much did Nigel Adkins spend on Southampton Mark I? We have a player that'll probably be described as world class one day, and Lambert - not Lerner - has turned him into a whinging, disinterested diva. Randy Lerner being disinterested has nothing to do with that.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

This is where the 8/82 protest went wrong. The protest should have been firmly aimed at Lambert.

Yes we all know Lerner needs to go, but let's get things into perspective: it's going to be much easier for the fans to get rid of the manager than the owner. Unless some fans know a few multi-billionaires.

Sure but then what - getting rid of the symptom wont fix the cause. It'll make you feel better for a few months only until the same underlying problem returns

Well, we might see another manager get something approaching the best out of the squad.

Lambert has failed hugely. The worst thing about this current goalless run is that it comes after all the other abysmal runs he has given us.

We are currently on course to become the lowest scoring team in premier league history.

I appreciate Lambert has had less money than some previous managers but that really only washes if you can say he has got the best out of what he has got.

He hasn't, though, not by a long shot, and as time passes he looks more and more incapable of improving us.

At the simplest level, football is supposed to be fun. We are about as far from fun as it is possible to be.

Exactly, and to be honest we DO have some decent players....he just seems incapable of getting anything coherent out of them.

I was thinking the other day that despite the joyless, soul destroying weekly experience of watching the Villa, I actually like almost all of our squad, even Gabby. Cleverly apart, he's hopeless, the rest have generally shown great effort and you can see they really want to get it right and the 'new style' of passing the ball suits almost all of them. It's the team selection, formation and tactics that stop them being a bloody half decent team.

Lambert has one final card to play before he is hounded out - and he will be unless he can bring in a Assistant Manager/Coach that can do his football thinking for him. Even then I'm not sure he will allow it to work. I recall reading on a Norwich forum on how on occasions Culverhouse would work with the team formation and tactics all week only for Lambert to come in and change everything the day of the game. Obviously Norwich lost those games.

Maybe we're hoping he can finally get it right and start getting the best out of this squad but sadly I really do believe he's clueless. The writing has been on the wall since the Bradford game, the complete and utter desperation, his tactics really were from the playground. Nothing much since then has made me change my mind. It's just another sad chapter in the book 'Aston Villa's Missed Opportunities'.

[Boz]

Our current team has the quality of player to be mid to upper table if there was a manager capable of getting the best out of them. Lambert clearly isn't. He might not have a significant budget but money has been made available and to be fair Lambert has found some value for money players who have appreciated in value even with our dire results, but identifying good prospects and managing a team are worlds apart and Lambert just seems incapable of  inspiring the players to perform. We have the basis of a decent team but they will be mediocre until the manager is changed.

[itbrvilla]

The people who voted no , just want see to see more goals in the championship next season.

We'd struggle there.

I agree. No way will the squad we have now minus Benteke, Guzan, Delph, Vlaar be a certainty for promotion next season.

[silhillvilla]

Indeed , in a post apocalyptic 2015/16 Championship scenario we would probably be fielding

------------ Steer---------------
Lowton.  Baker. Clark.  Luna.
Gardner. Westwood Sanchez ? Bacuna
          Weimann.  Gabby (c)

That teams struggling in the championship

[N'ZMAV]

At least the likes of Gabby, Luna, Clark, Baker, Lowton etc will be better in the Championship - it is their level.

[Malandro]

Has anybody pointed out just how bloody awful that Derby County was?
To equal or 'better' that would be remarkable.

[Malandro]

Has anybody pointed out just how bloody awful that Derby County team was?
To equal or 'better' that would be remarkable.

[Malandro]

Modify fail, kin tablet again

[aj2k77]

Indeed , in a post apocalyptic 2015/16 Championship scenario we would probably be fielding

------------ Steer---------------
Lowton.  Baker. Clark.  Luna.
Gardner. Westwood Sanchez ? Bacuna
          Weimann.  Gabby (c)

That teams struggling in the championship

So Okore, Hutton, Senderos, Gil, Nzogbia, Grealish, Benteke, Guzan, Given, Cissokho, Kozak would all be sold and not a penny spent? I'm pessimistic at the best of times but that's still a good £60m in fees there. No way would we field anything like the side you've put out.

[Mister E]

In the short term we just need a decent coaching team. I'm assuming RL won't pull the trigger on Lambert now but Fox can insist on greater demarcation of roles between Lambert and the coach, to limit the former's effect on the team's match day performance.