The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Rudy Can't Fail]

But there is no hiding from his terrible results record. It is front and center. Sadly.

Only if you bury your head in the sand. You talk about him finding a couple of players this window but hasn't it crossed your mind he hasn't a fucking clue what to do with them? As for his tinkering..he should tinker the fuck off. Any self respecting manager with Lambert's record would have resigned ages ago, nevermind been sacked.

I do however believe he will be sacked. All it will take is Tom Fox picking up the phone and telling Randy this ain't working and it's getting ugly. That phone call could happen this weekend or next, assuming it hasn't happened already.

[bertlambshank]

If Tom Fox rings Randy up and tell's him that I would guess is answer will be ' what am I paying you for again?'
If Randy gave a shit we wouldn't be in the position we are.

[KevinGage]

It's probably only a tiny minority of the current support base who still have faith that Lambert might be able it turn it around and live up to his billing.   And possibly only a fraction of that lot who actually like the way we play now, Westley Arse and the rest of the lunatic fringe.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, there are many who want him out NOW and blow the consequences. And that's fair enough.

Based on the people I speak to, there are a bigger percentage who ideally want him gone, but don't see the point in rocking the boat this side of a takeover. And there is a certain logic to it.  He's been dreadful, but not quite dreadful enough to take us down. 

[bertlambshank]

It will be a lot harder to sell if we go down.

[andyh]

It's probably only a tiny minority of the current support base who still have faith that Lambert might be able it turn it around and live up to his billing.   And possibly only a fraction of that lot who actually like the way we play now, Westley Arse and the rest of the lunatic fringe.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, there are many who want him out NOW and blow the consequences. And that's fair enough.

Based on the people I speak to, there are a bigger percentage who ideally want him gone, but don't see the point in rocking the boat this side of a takeover. And there is a certain logic to it.  He's been dreadful, but not quite dreadful enough to take us down. 

A couple of points in respect of this.
What takeover, what if one never happens?
And, not dreadful enough to take us down? Really ?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

If Tom Fox rings Randy up and tell's him that I would guess is answer will be ' what am I paying you for again?'
If Randy gave a shit we wouldn't be in the position we are.

I'm assuming Randy has faith in Fox. Randy obviously doesn't want to be involved in the day to day decisions. That's why he has Fox there. We don't need Randy here. We need leadership and I expect Fox to provide it. As you say, that's what he's paid for. Firing Lambert, a senior manager at the club, would require approval from Lerner.

[KevinGage]

Well he hasn't -so far. 

And even even we only mirror the ineptitude of the first half of the season, we should still stay up.  Albeit with the lowest goals for since the birth of professional football.

Chances are there will still be three worse teams than us again.  This season. We're not easy on the eye though, there is no escaping that.

Lerner wants out.  He said as much in the summer, and hasn't said anything since to contradict that, so it will ultimately come down to how much of a loss he is prepared to endure. 

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

And Fox made it clear on his appointment that Paul Lambert was a key figure in the club's plan for the future.



Bollux!

[Dante Lavelli]

And Fox made it clear on his appointment that Paul Lambert was a key figure in the club's plan for the future.

Bollux!

He's hardly going to say otherwise though is he.  I'd also so hope that the manager is an integral part of their plans. That's not say that I think a change is imminent though.

I just hope that, at some point, Fox was tasked with identifying Wenger's replacement, but anticipating that Arsene was to leave in a few years time.  On that basis he might have contacts with someone who would be ready for us now.  Otherwise I have no idea what knowledge Fox would have about finding a new manager.  If he asked Wenger who do you think he would suggest?  Grimandi?  Viera?

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I think Fox was responsible for specific financial matters at Arse, not CEO, which was his "promotion" with us.

I just thought his comments on his appointment were less about his own role, which is what you would expect, but more about supporting Lambert. Perhaps I misread what was reported.
Any CEO is likely to outlast any manager these days, hence my focus on his comments which seemed to be particularly "loyal" to the current manager.

[Dave]

No Dave, you send me a PM and justify your gratuitous finger wagging.   It is a source of great sadness that neither of my sons post on this site any longer and when I have to defend myself against spurious charges of lack of respect for other Villa fans, I can see why they are no longer here.

And as for moderators guaranteeing a polite, your word, atmosphere where have the mods been when over the last what must be ten years of me being called "A sandal wearing, bearded liberal" and "a God botherer" and "a rambling old fart" and "a champagne socialist" and a "getorfmyland farmer" and "an old git" and the sharpest barb of all because it came from probably the mildest man on the forum "the male equivalent of the Old Biddy down the street."
It has nothing to do with politeness it has everything to do with me being so outspoken and strident about Lambert.

Maybe the reply from ciggiesnbeer (posted since your post above) might help you understand why I brought it up in the first place. You may not have seen it as being offensive, but you wouldn't be the first person to cause offence unintentionally.

I fully agree that it's wrong that some of those words were directed at you, but unfortunately moderators can't be everywhere. At the bottom of every post is the option to report it to a moderator if something in it needs to be brought to our attention - as somebody did with your post (not however by the person it was aimed at, I should add). If those posts that you're referring to had been reported then they would have been dealt with.

As for your final point about being asking to show a bit of decency to fellow supporters just because you are "so outspoken and strident about Lambert" it's one of the strangest accusations I've seen since that bloke a few weeks ago who accused saunders_heroes of being a "Woodhall stooge". That's not some outré, going-against-the-grain, not-towing-the-party-line position. According to the poll on this thread, 90.3% of people posting share that opinion (and that was taken after our last positive result and performance). But what that 90-odd percent isn't going to be allowed to do is belittle the opinions of the 10% that don't agree with them.

[Steve67]

Kendrick's article doesn't go anywhere near enough. Not bad, but I think the silly comments make it lack credibility.

[andyh]

Kendrick's article doesn't go anywhere near enough. Not bad, but I think the silly comments make it lack credibility.

And it's been tempered by the latest meaning evil, Aston Villa (stooge) reporter.
He suggest that lamber should stay, not because the football might improve, but because he has been half decent in the transfer market.

[john e]

I think we are in the death throws, because he isn't going to turn it around
Unfortunatly it might be a slow lingering death which takes some time,
but there is no doubt in my mind that he isn't capable of coming back from here, and I honestly don't dislike the guy

If we lose the next 3 games in the league which is probably the most likely thing to happen, he will surely then be in a untenable position

[paul_e]

Kendrick's article doesn't go anywhere near enough. Not bad, but I think the silly comments make it lack credibility.

And it's been tempered by the latest meaning evil, Aston Villa (stooge) reporter.
He suggest that lamber should stay, not because the football might improve, but because he has been half decent in the transfer market.

That is true though, the problem is if youre going to stick with a manager who's coaching and tactics are poor because he's great at scouting players he needs to build a good coaching team. The failure to replace Keane or ever employ an attacking coach sums up evverything that's wrong with him.  He's getting close to full on McLeish "but there were 4 strikers on the pitch" delusion.