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Offline jollyjake

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11670 on: January 09, 2015, 12:16:12 PM »
i think hes doing wonders with the sqaud hes got!Its probably the worst in the premier. and the supprt hes getting from above

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11671 on: January 09, 2015, 12:16:54 PM »
charlie drake anybody

You're not very good at this 'rational argument' thing are you?

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11672 on: January 09, 2015, 12:18:59 PM »
i think hes doing wonders with the sqaud hes got!Its probably the worst in the premier. and the supprt hes getting from above

Bants

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11673 on: January 09, 2015, 12:24:26 PM »
Is Villa Kicks or Westley Arms the Even Younger rejoined/joined the site?

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11674 on: January 09, 2015, 12:30:59 PM »
you are i suppose dont you like people who do,nt agree with you.from now on i will copy you

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11675 on: January 09, 2015, 12:37:03 PM »
you are i suppose dont you like people who do,nt agree with you.from now on i will copy you

Your written English would improve, which is one thing. And you would use facts rather than incorrect history and false assumptions, which would be another.

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11676 on: January 09, 2015, 12:47:48 PM »
Sorry sir. Are you a headmaster? You seem to know it all. I thought we were here to express our own opinions.I did not realise we all had to agree.

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11677 on: January 09, 2015, 12:49:36 PM »
you are i suppose dont you like people who do,nt agree with you.from now on i will copy you

On the keyboard, if you are using a computer, the button with an @ symbol on it when pressed without the shift key will allow the use of an apostrophe.

The shift key will allow the use of upper case letters at the start of a sentence and the little dot underneath an arrow pointing right.... erm, ok.. anyhow please try and use some of these helpful things on the keyboard to make your posts a little more easy to understand so that we can have a genuine argument.

And then please explain, how do you think Lerner planned on making a "quick buck" - was it on the Holte Pub? or when he was funding huge wages for O'Neill (apostrophe in use there) that could have been invested in a more strategic way? As Paulie said, he has spent massive money very haphazardly but you would be very hard pushed to argue he has tried to make a "quick buck". Please do tell.

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11678 on: January 09, 2015, 01:00:12 PM »
I do seem to be getting plenty of education here.(before you say it ,do,nt i need it ) I only wish you very correct people were more interested in advancing the clubs ambitions! Than taking the piss. Do you not care what has happened to the Villa,since the present incumbent became owner of our club?

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11679 on: January 09, 2015, 01:06:15 PM »
This is becoming a saga now.

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11680 on: January 09, 2015, 01:15:22 PM »
i think hes doing wonders with the sqaud hes got!Its probably the worst in the premier. and the supprt hes getting from above

Can you expand on this, because you're so far from my opinion on the squad it's frightening.

for me:

GK
Guzan - top 6
Given - as backup - midtable

Defence
Okore - top 8
Vlaar  - mid table (top 6 when fit)
Clark, Baker, Senderos, Hutton, Cissokho - mid table
Lowton - Relegation battle

Midfield
Delph, Sanchez - top 8
Westwood, Cleverley, Bacuna - Midtable
Cole - Midtable when fit
Richardson - relegation battle

Forwards
Benteke - top 4
Gabby, Weimann - relegation battle (as wide players)
Kozak - Mid table when fit

so picking 20 of the more regular players from the squad and a guy who will be once he's fit I've got mostly a midtable or better squad there.  It's certainly a lot better than Palace, Leicester and Burnley who are the 3 with genuinely weak squads.

It's nonsense like "He's doing the best he can with a terrible squad" which lets Lambert get away with some truly shocking tactics and coaching.

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11681 on: January 09, 2015, 01:17:51 PM »
Jj as far as you are concerned, yes Dave Woodhall is the headmaster. Show proper respect if you are going to use this forum. There are men and women on here from whom you could learn a great deal, especially in the field of rational discussion. This is the big boys' playground.

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11682 on: January 09, 2015, 01:19:20 PM »
clear of back to the good old U S A, sorry i think hes already gone!
and leave some one who is interested

Any idea who, or will any spare billionaire do?

Mark Saggers and a journalist were discussing this on Talksport last night.  The journalist (not quite sure who he was) was saying that the conception that there are a plethora of billionaires out there looking to buy Premier League clubs is a false one and that there has only ever been limited interest in clubs in general.  He pointed out the money that Lerner and Ashley at Newcastle have invested and won't see again as a possible reason for that.   
« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 02:20:23 PM by tomd2103 »

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11683 on: January 09, 2015, 01:39:01 PM »
I do seem to be getting plenty of education here.(before you say it ,do,nt i need it ) I only wish you very correct people were more interested in advancing the clubs ambitions! Than taking the piss. Do you not care what has happened to the Villa,since the present incumbent became owner of our club?

Apologies for the monster post. :o

What has happened since he took over is:

Years 1 -4. He trusted completely in manager who was extremely popular with the majority of the fans, spending huge amounts of cash on assembling the squad the manager wanted. 
When the present incumbent owner questioned how many more players the manager needed, when he only used the same 13-14 players anyway, and why should he pay the likes of Habib Beye £40K per week to turn up for 8-9 hours training per week, said manager stropped off.
It then became apparent that the majority of the money "invested" could just as easily have been thrown on the bonfire for all the good it had done the club, as the man he had trusted to invest his money wisely had in fact pissed most of it up the wall with only 2 half hearted attempts at the Europa league, a losing League Cup final and losing FA Cup semi final to show for the thick end of £200M, and the majority of the squad having no resale value due to the combination of age and wages / length of contract.

Year 5. Having been left in the lurch at no notice, the current incumbent owner struggled to find a suitable replacement, he chose a man with a wealth of experience at managing at the highest levels, but who hadn't been managing day to day for 2 years.  Finding the squad in divided and morale apparently in tatters he took up the challenge of trying to get the players into shape, physically and mentally, to play in the PL.  A significant proportion of the squad didn't like actually working for their money after the MON days of 45 minutes 5 a side constituting the training regime, and openly revolted. (One of our most senior players had returned from the summer break, looking not much fitter than that guy from Luton).
When it was obvious during the January transfer window that we needed someone to score the goals that weren't being scored he sanctioned a further £18M to solve the problem.  Towards the end of the season, the new manager succumbed to health problems and was not able to continue the rebuilding job he'd started.

Year 6. A complete brain fart appointing McLeish, I'll give you that, but still backing his manager with the £9M for N'Zogbia and the contract for Given as evidence.  At the end of the season, when it was clear that McLeish would no longer be tolerated by the fans, he was gone as soon as the season had finished and the search for a new manager began.

Year 7. Appointment of a promising young manager, who was a popular choice with the fans.  Football and results wise anywhere between disappointing and disastrous depending on how kind / harsh you want to be.

Years 8&9 The big question from here on in has been how true are the rumours that Lambert hasn't spent all of the transfer funds available to him. and how much blind loyalty has he shown Lambert?  He's admitted he wants to sell, it would appear he's not prepared to sell to the first chancer that knocks on his door. (how much would fans of our less illustrious neighbours want to turn back to the days of the Brady Bunch instead of Hong Kong's richest hairdresser)

He came, he gave it a real go, unfortunately putting all his faith in the wrong man, tried to restore some semblance of order to our finances whilst keeping the club going.  Having got it to the point where it's now not a distressed asset, he's trying to sell it.

The only things I can really pick him up on are.
1.) the blind faith in MON.  He should have been stopped at the end of year 3 when he wanted to spend the best part of £30M replacing the entire back 4 he'd spent £50M on the previous summer, but hindsight is wonderful.
2.) McLeish - Nothing else needs to be said
3.) Accepting the god awful football that Lambert served up last year and not turfing him out in the summer.

Once he'd realised he couldn't finance our way into the CL (Man City pretty much precluded a further run at it, especially under MON and his 70's tactics) he's paid out approx a further £50-100M to get the club to a point where it's actually saleable to a sensible owner who hopefully can come in and start to move us up the table again.

Yes he could have sold between Houllier's departure and appointing Lambert, but it's not just that he'd have got less for the club then, I suspect that a whole different calibre of buyer could be tempted now that the finances are straight. (I doubt there's much net difference between what he could have sold for having sacked McLeish, and what he hopes to get today, compared to what he's continued to put in to the club in the last 2½ years)

« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 01:40:35 PM by Villa in Denmark »

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Re: The Paul Lambert thread - NEW POLL post-Manchester United
« Reply #11684 on: January 09, 2015, 01:42:53 PM »
And yet again someone wants to enter the debate but doesn't think they should be disagreed with.

 


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