The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[pauliewalnuts]

Yeah he's losing it a bit I reckon. Most managers are a bit deluded but I don't know what the hell he's on about there

The world outside of B6 will look at the result and think job done though.  They won't care about the 88 minutes of eye-bleeding rot that occurred beforehand.

This is the most annoying thing for me. The lack of pressure on Lambert from the media. When Pardew was under pressure, it was absolutely everywhere. Lambert has done an equally shit, if not worse, job and no-one cares.

Pardew was under absolutely no pressure other than from the Newcastle fans.

The media constantly made excuses for him and took his side.

If you look at his record there, he had one season where they finished fifth (or whatever it was, a good finish) yet for the rest, his record has been every bit as bad as Lambert's. It is also telling that Pardew has now left them, but has not done so having got the sack, but been offered another job.

[saunders_heroes]

Yeah he's losing it a bit I reckon. Most managers are a bit deluded but I don't know what the hell he's on about there

The world outside of B6 will look at the result and think job done though.  They won't care about the 88 minutes of eye-bleeding rot that occurred beforehand.

This is the most annoying thing for me. The lack of pressure on Lambert from the media. When Pardew was under pressure, it was absolutely everywhere. Lambert has done an equally shit, if not worse, job and no-one cares.

The pressure should start from the fans but for whatever reason we've let him get away with murder (same applies to Lerner). The Geordie fans protested a lot, and the media obviously took note.

This is right. The media were talking about graffitied bedsheets and slogans not Pardew and his record.

I believe S_H, that in this situation it is site tradition that you're now told to start protesting yourself?

I'm protesting as we speak.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think he is bordering on fickle moments. It can only get worse from here unless he wins 2-3 of the next 4-5 games.

I like the fact that he is having a moan in the media for the first time. It shows that he's maybe starting to feel the pressure.

That can only be a good thing because, quite clearly, no matter what number of records for shitness he smashes, his employer clearly does not give one tenth of one shit. Someone has to give him a hard time, it might as well be us.

If you look at what has happened since he has been here, he has a record which, anywhere else, would have got him sacked four or five times by now. Not only that, but at the end of his first season, in which we were largely fucking awful, he had almost total support from the fanbase. It was remarkable.

if people are starting to chant about him now, what he should really do is not get the hump about it, but sit and reflect that it is truly remarkable the fans have put up with the shit that he has served us up for two and a half years before getting anywhere near this point.

That fickle thing is just bollocks. There are not many clubs where a manager woudl get anything like the support Lambert has had. It was the same with McLeish, things were awful for ages before the fans turned on him. In fact, McLeish actually got more time than Houllier did.

Still, the media won't bother even thinking about that.

[Villa in Denmark]

Yeah he's losing it a bit I reckon. Most managers are a bit deluded but I don't know what the hell he's on about there

The world outside of B6 will look at the result and think job done though.  They won't care about the 88 minutes of eye-bleeding rot that occurred beforehand.

This is the most annoying thing for me. The lack of pressure on Lambert from the media. When Pardew was under pressure, it was absolutely everywhere. Lambert has done an equally shit, if not worse, job and no-one cares.

Pardew was under absolutely no pressure other than from the Newcastle fans.

The media constantly made excuses for him and took his side.

If you look at his record there, he had one season where they finished fifth (or whatever it was, a good finish) yet for the rest, his record has been every bit as bad as Lambert's. It is also telling that Pardew has now left them, but has not done so having got the sack, but been offered another job.

From the little British press I still read, the general reporting seemed a strange mix of the Geordie nation deserving better results, but being appalled by the protests against Pardew.

In fairness to Crystal Palace, anyone with an ounce of gumption was going to be a better bet than Colin. Still can't believe that they appointed him to start with.

[Damo70]

91% want him out. I think if you reset the poll right now with us twelfth in the league and through to the fourth round of the cup the percentage would remain the same. Most people have had enough over the period he has been in charge and probably more importantly most people don't see any glimmer success on the horizon under him. How about a poll seeing who thinks we will finish twelfth or higher or thirteenth or lower?

[ozzjim]

I think he is bordering on fickle moments. It can only get worse from here unless he wins 2-3 of the next 4-5 games.

I like the fact that he is having a moan in the media for the first time. It shows that he's maybe starting to feel the pressure.

That can only be a good thing because, quite clearly, no matter what number of records for shitness he smashes, his employer clearly does not give one tenth of one shit. Someone has to give him a hard time, it might as well be us.

If you look at what has happened since he has been here, he has a record which, anywhere else, would have got him sacked four or five times by now. Not only that, but at the end of his first season, in which we were largely fucking awful, he had almost total support from the fanbase. It was remarkable.

if people are starting to chant about him now, what he should really do is not get the hump about it, but sit and reflect that it is truly remarkable the fans have put up with the shit that he has served us up for two and a half years before getting anywhere near this point.

That fickle thing is just bollocks. There are not many clubs where a manager woudl get anything like the support Lambert has had. It was the same with McLeish, things were awful for ages before the fans turned on him. In fact, McLeish actually got more time than Houllier did.

Still, the media won't bother even thinking about that.

Spot on. Most fans have been beaten to this point, not just suddenly turned.  The  evening mail have been remarkably restrained considering some of their previous to. This Evans chap sends to try and support him. Isn't Nursey matey with him from Norwich days?

[Drummond]

The media aren't giving him a particularly hard time, however, virtually every highlights show that's on has criticism of how dull and predictable we are. They're all pointing out our lack of goals too.

I think the only thing that's really stopping any heavy criticism is the league position; and now we're through to the next round too.

[itbrvilla]

The media aren't giving him a particularly hard time, however, virtually every highlights show that's on has criticism of how dull and predictable we are. They're all pointing out our lack of goals too.

I think the only thing that's really stopping any heavy criticism is the league position; and now we're through to the next round too.

We have the best goals vs. Points ratio in the league by some distance I think I heard on the radio.

[Walmley_Villa]

I'm sensing a bit of a change in the press against him, maybe just me. It is the muppets on WM and the like that will always point to the limbo that Lerner has us in as the cause. The thing with Lambert is that he has bought well on the likes of Sanchez (who does look a player) and Benteke. If he had the riches MoN things 'could' be so different. Then again he baffles you and everyone else with his bizarre tactics such as yesterday with Westwood. There is certainly no place for Cleverley and Westwood in the same team so I hope he does not commit to buying him this month especially if funds are tight.

[Lastfootstamper]

The media aren't giving him a particularly hard time, however, virtually every highlights show that's on has criticism of how dull and predictable we are. They're all pointing out our lack of goals too.

I think the only thing that's really stopping any heavy criticism is the league position; and now we're through to the next round too.

We have the best goals vs. Points ratio in the league by some distance I think I heard on the radio.

It's up to two now. Can't argue with the economy rate.

[SamTheMouse]

I'm sensing a bit of a change in the press against him, maybe just me. It is the muppets on WM and the like that will always point to the limbo that Lerner has us in as the cause. The thing with Lambert is that he has bought well on the likes of Sanchez (who does look a player) and Benteke. If he had the riches MoN things 'could' be so different. Then again he baffles you and everyone else with his bizarre tactics such as yesterday with Westwood. There is certainly no place for Cleverley and Westwood in the same team so I hope he does not commit to buying him this month especially if funds are tight.

I'd trust Lambert to sign good players, he's proven he can do that.

But I have no confidence whatsoever in his ability to coach the team tactically. There have been good performances, mainly hidden in amongst the dire ones. But you get the impression that when good things happen, Lambert has very little to do with it.

He's like a modern artist flinging shit at a canvas. Eventually, some of it will stick, but most of it will slide off. Especially if the shit has come from the arses of Hutton and Cissokho.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'd trust Lambert to sign good players, he's proven he can do that.

But I have no confidence whatsoever in his ability to coach the team tactically. There have been good performances, mainly hidden in amongst the dire ones. But you get the impression that when good things happen, Lambert has very little to do with it.

I agree with that, Sam. We've had a few clueless managers over the years but Lambert must top the list. Imagine his face if you were to tell him that you can play counter attacking football AND pass the ball. For him it's either one extreme or the other. What we're now seeing is an approach where he doesn't have the personnel to play that way, he puts players in positions that don't suit their strengths and we wonder why we're struggling to score goals.

He may say "everybody knows how things are here" but every manager up and down the country, across the world, have to work with the players and budget he has. This is his team, his squad and what we're seeing is the result of his vision. Nothing could now convince me Lambert can turn it around and build something sustainable at Villa Park. He's clearly demonstrated over the last two and a half years he has no faith in his own ability, nevermind the players'. When you can't even get the basics right, it's time to move on and give somebody else a chance.

[Deano's Mullet]

Liverpool away last season. Not the shite Liverpool of last year but the team that finished 2nd. Look how we played in that game. Arguably the best passing and possession we have managed in any Lambert game, at least until the middle of the second half. These are the same players being held back and shackled by this tactically inept buffoon who know thinks hes cracked the wheel by getting the team to play side to side. Hes not only contradicting every about what hes ever said or done as Villa manager but making us think we deserve no better as far as he's concerned. As others have said, we are not a top 5 team but by McGrath we should  a) be winning more games than one every once in a blue moon and b) finishing higher than just above the relegation zone. They say teams in midtable and the bottom need to beat everyone outside of the top four but look at us for pete's sake, we cannot use home advantage to put Sunderland or Palace away and but for a stunning goal yesterday we'd have been held to another blank against the Championship's whipping boys.  Lambert out and Lerner to spend more money. I can dream cant I?

[Deano's Mullet]

Liverpool away last season. Not the shite Liverpool of this year but the team that finished 2nd. Look how we played in that game. Arguably the best passing and possession we have managed in any Lambert game, at least until the middle of the second half. These are the same players being held back and shackled by this tactically inept buffoon who know thinks hes cracked the wheel by getting the team to play side to side. Hes not only contradicting every about what hes ever said or done as Villa manager but making us think we deserve no better as far as he's concerned. As others have said, we are not a top 5 team but by McGrath we should  a) be winning more games than one every once in a blue moon and b) finishing higher than just above the relegation zone. They say teams in midtable and the bottom need to beat everyone outside of the top four but look at us for pete's sake, we cannot use home advantage to put Sunderland or Palace away and but for a stunning goal yesterday we'd have been held to another blank against the Championship's whipping boys.  Lambert out and Lerner to spend more money. I can dream cant I?

[Lee]

I think he is bordering on fickle moments. It can only get worse from here unless he wins 2-3 of the next 4-5 games.

I like the fact that he is having a moan in the media for the first time. It shows that he's maybe starting to feel the pressure.

That can only be a good thing because, quite clearly, no matter what number of records for shitness he smashes, his employer clearly does not give one tenth of one shit. Someone has to give him a hard time, it might as well be us.

If you look at what has happened since he has been here, he has a record which, anywhere else, would have got him sacked four or five times by now. Not only that, but at the end of his first season, in which we were largely fucking awful, he had almost total support from the fanbase. It was remarkable.

if people are starting to chant about him now, what he should really do is not get the hump about it, but sit and reflect that it is truly remarkable the fans have put up with the shit that he has served us up for two and a half years before getting anywhere near this point.

That fickle thing is just bollocks. There are not many clubs where a manager woudl get anything like the support Lambert has had. It was the same with McLeish, things were awful for ages before the fans turned on him. In fact, McLeish actually got more time than Houllier did.

Still, the media won't bother even thinking about that.

Good assessment as I have seen Paulie. Spot on!