The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[pauliewalnuts]

Is anyone using it for an excuse, though?

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think it is an excuse, in no way does it excuse the mess we are in today.

It does strike me as a pretty big contributing factor, though.

There are lots of others, the chairman, his appointments, his disengagement etc etc.

My main problem with Lambert is that, even if you accept he's working with less money than other Villa managers have, he still repeatedly fails to get the best out of what he has - he gets nothing near it, in fact - and keeps making the same mistakes.

That, isolated from other factors, is purely the fault of Paul Lambert.

Other problems, some of which go back several years, can be traced either to the MON flounce or to the fallout of his reign (particularly the financial one).

[andyh]

Newcastle fans today, how long before it's us?

https://vine.co/v/Odi0bIaHVEe

[Clampy]

Is anyone using it for an excuse, though?

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think it is an excuse, in no way does it excuse the mess we are in today.

It does strike me as a pretty big contributing factor, though.

There are lots of others, the chairman, his appointments, his disengagement etc etc.

My main problem with Lambert is that, even if you accept he's working with less money than other Villa managers have, he still repeatedly fails to get the best out of what he has - he gets nothing near it, in fact - and keeps making the same mistakes.

That, isolated from other factors, is purely the fault of Paul Lambert.

Other problems, some of which go back several years, can be traced either to the MON flounce or to the fallout of his reign (particularly the financial one).

Maybe 'excuse' is the wrong word possibly but his name does seem to crop up whenever we go through a bad patch. If in two years time we're still going through the same problems, will his name crop up then? You know what, I think it will.

[phantom limb]

Newcastle fans today, how long before it's us?

https://vine.co/v/Odi0bIaHVEe

Tomorrow?

[Steve67]

We have been rather patient with the current Manager. But, yes, we are shit and I'm sick of it too.

[ciggiesnbeer]

My main problem with Lambert is that, even if you accept he's working with less money than other Villa managers have, he still repeatedly fails to get the best out of what he has - he gets nothing near it, in fact - and keeps making the same mistakes.

That, isolated from other factors, is purely the fault of Paul Lambert.

I am a Lambert supporter and I agree with that. I also do not accept the notion the financial constraints he is under are worse than most other Premier Clubs.

Just look at the transfer budget Lambert has had every year since he arrived. (Assuming this site is vaguely correct)

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html

20M+ his first season (net)
15M+ his second season
6M+ so far this season

That is not peanuts and I think he has bought rather well. But for sure he has not consistently got enough out of the players he has.

[silhillvilla]

Shocking tactics, bullying, bomb squads, contradictory and ever shifting strategies, week after week interviews that bear little correlation to the actual events if a game .
Budgets aside, this is what and why lambert is defunct and seen as a sheister and a charlatan.

[Clampy]

Shocking tactics, bullying, bomb squads, contradictory and ever shifting strategies, week after week interviews that bear little correlation to the actual events if a game .
Budgets aside, this is what and why lambert is defunct and seen as a sheister and a charlatan.

At least you left out 'pure evil' this time.

[silhillvilla]

Shocking tactics, bullying, bomb squads, contradictory and ever shifting strategies, week after week interviews that bear little correlation to the actual events if a game .
Budgets aside, this is what and why lambert is defunct and seen as a sheister and a charlatan.

At least you left out 'pure evil' this time.

Keep up, this is re Lambert not the evil one 

[pauliewalnuts]

Is anyone using it for an excuse, though?

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think it is an excuse, in no way does it excuse the mess we are in today.

It does strike me as a pretty big contributing factor, though.

There are lots of others, the chairman, his appointments, his disengagement etc etc.

My main problem with Lambert is that, even if you accept he's working with less money than other Villa managers have, he still repeatedly fails to get the best out of what he has - he gets nothing near it, in fact - and keeps making the same mistakes.

That, isolated from other factors, is purely the fault of Paul Lambert.

Other problems, some of which go back several years, can be traced either to the MON flounce or to the fallout of his reign (particularly the financial one).

Maybe 'excuse' is the wrong word possibly but his name does seem to crop up whenever we go through a bad patch. If in two years time we're still going through the same problems, will his name crop up then? You know what, I think it will.

We'e been on a near continual bad patch for four years now, though. I certainly can't remember anything in that period suggestive of a good patch - maybe, at a push, the end of the Houllier year, but that's about it.

If we were still (emphasis on still) going through the same problems we have now in two years, then yes, MON would still crop up, and rightly so.

It is a contributing factor to why we are struggling now, and if we struggled for another two years, it'd almost certainly be for the same reasons.

On a massively simplified level, our major problem now (in my opinion) is the lack of interest of the chairman. That lack of interest, I believe is a direct result of his experiences with MON. If he then continues to remain hugely uninterested for another two or ten years, it will almost certainly still be for the same reasons.

[Toronto Villa]

I think others have suggested that if you let Lambert have a decent budget and do the recruiting for a better manager we'd be in a really decent spot. Some of his signings on not too large an outlay have been outstanding. He just doesn't know how to recruit and then put them together cohesively. It's all very haphazard and we go from one style/plan/theory/ideology (choose/delete as desired) to another.

[pauliewalnuts]

We have been rather patient with the current Manager. But, yes, we are shit and I'm sick of it too.

We've been incredibly patient with him. He still hasn't had his "Bolton moment" yet, which is remarkable.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think others have suggested that if you let Lambert have a decent budget and do the recruiting for a better manager we'd be in a really decent spot. Some of his signings on not too large an outlay have been outstanding. He just doesn't know how to recruit and then put them together cohesively. It's all very haphazard and we go from one style/plan/theory/ideology (choose/delete as desired) to another.

It's a pretty big limitation, though, innit.

Like being a portrait artist who can only paint people with beards.

[Toronto Villa]

To add: eventually Lambert won't be Villa manager and he'll resurface at lower division club or a smaller PL club with lower expectations and he'll be very comfortable and do just fine. He's a good man in a job that is overwhelming him. Good intentions just not good enough to do it.

[Clampy]

Is anyone using it for an excuse, though?

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think it is an excuse, in no way does it excuse the mess we are in today.

It does strike me as a pretty big contributing factor, though.

There are lots of others, the chairman, his appointments, his disengagement etc etc.

My main problem with Lambert is that, even if you accept he's working with less money than other Villa managers have, he still repeatedly fails to get the best out of what he has - he gets nothing near it, in fact - and keeps making the same mistakes.

That, isolated from other factors, is purely the fault of Paul Lambert.

Other problems, some of which go back several years, can be traced either to the MON flounce or to the fallout of his reign (particularly the financial one).

Maybe 'excuse' is the wrong word possibly but his name does seem to crop up whenever we go through a bad patch. If in two years time we're still going through the same problems, will his name crop up then? You know what, I think it will.

We'e been on a near continual bad patch for four years now, though. I certainly can't remember anything in that period suggestive of a good patch - maybe, at a push, the end of the Houllier year, but that's about it.

If we were still (emphasis on still) going through the same problems we have now in two years, then yes, MON would still crop up, and rightly so.

It is a contributing factor to why we are struggling now, and if we struggled for another two years, it'd almost certainly be for the same reasons.

On a massively simplified level, our major problem now (in my opinion) is the lack of interest of the chairman. That lack of interest, I believe is a direct result of his experiences with MON. If he then continues to remain hugely uninterested for another two or ten years, it will almost certainly still be for the same reasons.

Are you really suggesting, if for the sake of argument we were on manager no 4 in two years time, 6 years down the line, we should still be pointing the finger at MON if we were still not progressing?