The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[saunders_heroes]

Surely some of you must be happy with possession stats of late? Yesterday 76% in the first half and 70% overall. Isn't that incredible?

No it's all about how many goals we have scored in front of the Holte end that matters now haven't you heard ?

So you think one goal in front of the Holte End (scored by a full back) is acceptable?

Yes it's a problem but "in front of Holte by a fullback" is irrelevant.

Absolutely. The goals in front of the Holte stat is a complete red herring. Had the toss gone the other way in some of the other games then the goals scored at the Witton End would presumably been at the opposite end. I'm not arguing that the goals aren't a problem because six goals at the Witton End is a pretty crappy statistic too but let's not be inventing and contorting stats to suit our standpoints.

Whatever stat we use its still embarrassing. 11 goals in over half a season.

[passitsideways]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

You might find it hard to believe, but "long list of embarassments" is still actually conceptually different to being "embarrassed from day one."

[Ads]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

"Humiliating us since day one" is just rank garbage. If you'd have said "plenty of awful results, including our worst" you'd have got some agreement, because you'd be right. But you didn't.

I cannot wait till results improve, be it under this manager or the next. Hopefully the quality of the contributions to this site will improve too.

[saunders_heroes]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

You might find it hard to believe, but "long list of embarassments" is still actually conceptually different to being "embarrassed from day one."

Well it's subjective isn't it. Lots of fans are embarrassed of what we've become - perennial relegation strugglers who play awful defensive football and hardly ever bother the oppostion' goal keeper. Some hate the fact we've made a habit of losing against lower league opposition in the cups, break practically ever shit record at the club including a record 8-0 defeat all in the space of one manager's tenure.
Other fans play it down and aren't that bothered and claim it's "hyperbole" (the word of the moment on here) if anyone dare suggests it ain't all that bad.
Yep, it's my opinion Lambert has continued to embarrass and humiliate us from day one, and the sooner he's gone the better.

[saunders_heroes]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

"Humiliating us since day one" is just rank garbage. If you'd have said "plenty of awful results, including our worst" you'd have got some agreement, because you'd be right. But you didn't.

I cannot wait till results improve, be it under this manager or the next. Hopefully the quality of the contributions to this site will improve too.

Good luck with that one.

[Dave]

Interesting to see the abuse about him getting quite personal now in the light of previous comments on here about doing that

Care to be more specific about what exactly you are complaining?

[lovejoy]

Who on earth voted no? Must have pressed the wrong the wrong button!

Raises hand. I still support him. I don't blame people who don't though.

Me too, financial constraints etc.

I'm not trying to change your mind, however it was pointed out on soccer saturday there are other managers in the league working on similar budgets.

There is no excuse for the way we play, there are plenty of good enough players in that team and he does not have a fucking clue how to set them up

 Who else works under these constraints and where are they in the table?

[passitsideways]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

You might find it hard to believe, but "long list of embarassments" is still actually conceptually different to being "embarrassed from day one."

Well it's subjective isn't it. Lots of fans are embarrassed of what we've become - perennial relegation strugglers who play awful defensive football and hardly ever bother the oppostion' goal keeper. Some hate the fact we've made a habit of losing against lower league opposition in the cups, break practically ever shit record at the club including a record 8-0 defeat all in the space of one manager's tenure.
Other fans play it down and aren't that bothered and claim it's "hyperbole" (the word of the moment on here) if anyone dare suggests it ain't all that bad.
Yep, it's my opinion Lambert has continued to embarrass and humiliate us from day one, and the sooner he's gone the better.

If you're speaking in a figurative sense, then, okay, maybe that's fair enough, but that's a remarkably odd figure of speech you're using. But if you mean what you say literally, it's simply ridiculous. Did you really feel mortified about things just because we had lost to West Ham in his first official game? And then, yes, I know we had that 0-15 nonsense over Christmas and losing to Bradford over two legs, but the fact was that by the end of his first season, we were a young team which had nevertheless managed solid mid-table form from January onwards, played pretty decent passing football, scored plenty of goals, and had one of the best forwards in the league leading our line for at least another season. That was the state of affairs; what ended up happening afterwards had nothing to do with it. Are you really saying with a straight face that at that point in time, all of us were utterly embarrassed and humiliated by the thought of supporting a club being managed by Paul Lambert?

[Matt Collins]

If this was season one of the Lambert project and we'd shored up our defence, got some good central midfield options and were introducing a more patient style which saw us struggle to penetrate I could deal with it. A couple of good creative players would make the world of difference.

It's the fact we're making this adjustment now that worries me. What's the plan. And what has it been to date? And will we ever sign the creative player and winger we need to make the system work.

One thing I will say for Lambert, if you look at his most expensive signings they've all done very well (kozak probably not yet but he can score). So if we give Lambert £5-7m to sign a creative player id hope he could get the right one. That's assuming he sees the need to

[Chris Smith]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

You might find it hard to believe, but "long list of embarassments" is still actually conceptually different to being "embarrassed from day one."

Well it's subjective isn't it. Lots of fans are embarrassed of what we've become - perennial relegation strugglers who play awful defensive football and hardly ever bother the oppostion' goal keeper. Some hate the fact we've made a habit of losing against lower league opposition in the cups, break practically ever shit record at the club including a record 8-0 defeat all in the space of one manager's tenure.
Other fans play it down and aren't that bothered and claim it's "hyperbole" (the word of the moment on here) if anyone dare suggests it ain't all that bad.
Yep, it's my opinion Lambert has continued to embarrass and humiliate us from day one, and the sooner he's gone the better.

You have a real hang up with the word "hyperbole".

[Malandro]

There might not be any of the usual names who get recycled to replace him, but you're saying there isn't a manager somewhere in world football who we could attract and who wouldn't do a better job? I doubt it.

I think I could name 15 quite quickly.

Go on then

Advocaat, Laudrup, Tuchel, Cowans, Gullit, Lippi, Sven, Redknapp (God I hate saying it), Pulis, Arena, Spalletti, Rangnick, Magath (despite what happened at fulham), Pereira (employed but supposedly looking for better) and Flores.

I'm not saying all would be a success but my point is that there are many available and better.

I put Pulis in because he was available and he would have done better.

 

Redknapp? really?

He's rather cut off his penis with a rusty bread knife than come here

Beisla, Bilic, Tuchel, Spalletti, Pereira, Allegri, Seedorf, Flores,Montella, Rangnick,Martino, Prandelli,

Obviously that's 12, but the point is there's much better out there.

Lots of choices, some of mine I wouldn't really want but they would do better.
I'm going to have a good think and pick my top three.

Frankly its rubbish to say we are not an attractive opportunity, we are.

[saunders_heroes]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

You might find it hard to believe, but "long list of embarassments" is still actually conceptually different to being "embarrassed from day one."

Well it's subjective isn't it. Lots of fans are embarrassed of what we've become - perennial relegation strugglers who play awful defensive football and hardly ever bother the oppostion' goal keeper. Some hate the fact we've made a habit of losing against lower league opposition in the cups, break practically ever shit record at the club including a record 8-0 defeat all in the space of one manager's tenure.
Other fans play it down and aren't that bothered and claim it's "hyperbole" (the word of the moment on here) if anyone dare suggests it ain't all that bad.
Yep, it's my opinion Lambert has continued to embarrass and humiliate us from day one, and the sooner he's gone the better.

You have a real hang up with the word "hyperbole".

It's usually the same few posters who use it. I know you love it, Chris, in your on going quest to play everything down.  😘

[Malandro]

Saying we are going nowhere and saying we have been embarrassed from day one though are two different things, especially as one of those arguments seems depressingly accurate and the other little more than hyperbolic nonsense.

Ha!
I'd list Lambert's embarrassments on here since he took over but I think I'd run out of space.
Hyperbole indeed.

You might find it hard to believe, but "long list of embarassments" is still actually conceptually different to being "embarrassed from day one."

Well it's subjective isn't it. Lots of fans are embarrassed of what we've become - perennial relegation strugglers who play awful defensive football and hardly ever bother the oppostion' goal keeper. Some hate the fact we've made a habit of losing against lower league opposition in the cups, break practically ever shit record at the club including a record 8-0 defeat all in the space of one manager's tenure.
Other fans play it down and aren't that bothered and claim it's "hyperbole" (the word of the moment on here) if anyone dare suggests it ain't all that bad.
Yep, it's my opinion Lambert has continued to embarrass and humiliate us from day one, and the sooner he's gone the better.

You have a real hang up with the word "hyperbole".

It's usually the same few posters who use it. I know you love it, Chris, in your on going quest to play everything down.  😘

Somebody I work with uses it a fair bit, really like to drag it out too hi peer boll eeeer

[Ian.]

That's what I think Matt. I trust his judgement on players in the 5-10 million market, he's shown he can find quality. He's even shown we can organise the defensive situation to make us hard to beat.
However has he got the courage to adopt a more attacking adventurous approach?

[Clampy]

If this was season one of the Lambert project and we'd shored up our defence, got some good central midfield options and were introducing a more patient style which saw us struggle to penetrate I could deal with it. A couple of good creative players would make the world of difference.

It's the fact we're making this adjustment now that worries me. What's the plan. And what has it been to date? And will we ever sign the creative player and winger we need to make the system work.

That's what puzzles me a bit. Why has it taken him three season's in to decide to play possession football? Maybe if it was something he'd brought in on day one, we'd be further down the line and there'd be signs of progress.