The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[saunders_heroes]

We lost 7-1 to Chelsea under O'Neill, which is a similar type of margin to the 8-0 game. Are you saying O'Neill (as much as I dislike him) deserved to go after that?

it was an awful result, but losing a game by 6 goals will never be as bad as losing a game by 8. O'Neill's record at Villa pisses all over Lambert's by the way, but obviously you know that anyway.

[saunders_heroes]

Indeed, but as I've said before, no manager has humiliated us as much as Lambert has and got away with it.

Yet the principle still stands. You can sack him and it might have been for the best, yet sacking the others certainly wouldn't have been.

You go with your gut feeling. Nothing good will ever come of Lambert, in my opinion.

You would be surprised how many of our supporters were criticising Vic Crowe even midway through 1971-72. Sir Graham got the same every season he was here. You can't sack a manager because of one result.

It was 8-0, Dave. There are embarrassing defeats and then there are arguably the most humiliating defeats in our history. The 8-0 was the latter.  That's why I wanted him out, and looking back on what's happened since I think I was right. By the way I'm not for one minute saying it's all his fault (that would be our esteemed Chairman), but boy has he played his part.

After one match.

Indeed. A record defeat.

[PeterWithesShin]

To put it into the context I mean, the starting 11 for the 8-0. Guzan, Clark, Lichaj, Baker, Lowton, Holman, Westwood, Bannan, Herd, Benteke, Weimann.

The 7-1 starting 11. Friedel, L Young, Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Sidwell, A Young, Milner, Petrov, Carew, Agbonlahor.

To me, the 7-1 is a worse result when you look at our lineups.

[saunders_heroes]

I guess the point is though at the time of the 8-0 it was his first shocker. We had no idea what some of the joys in store were. At the time he'd just taken us into the LC semi-final and we had lost 3 in 12, to the Manc clubs and Chavski. Why sack him him after 1 shocker? As an example, would you have sacked SGT1 after losing 5-0 at home to Bradford? Which is on a par with the Chavski result to me.

Because we lost 8-0 that's why. He should have been sacked the morning after, perhaps then we'd have avoided some of the many humiliations he's inflicted on us since.
And 5-0 will never be as bad as 8-0 no matter how much you try and dress it up.

Here we go as usual, apparently thinking losing 5-0 at home to Bradford is as shit as 8-0 at Chavski is me dressing it up. It really is pointless trying to have a sensible debate with you isn't it.

Losing a game by 5 goals isn't as bad as losing one by 8. That's the sensible way of looking at it.

It really isn't.

So 8-0 isn't quite as bad as 5-0?
What have you been drinking this evening?

[PeterWithesShin]

To try and make it even simpler.

Which result would you class as the better one if they happened this season?
Chelsea 0 - 5 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 8 - 0 York City

[Gregorys Boy]

I guess the point is though at the time of the 8-0 it was his first shocker. We had no idea what some of the joys in store were. At the time he'd just taken us into the LC semi-final and we had lost 3 in 12, to the Manc clubs and Chavski. Why sack him him after 1 shocker? As an example, would you have sacked SGT1 after losing 5-0 at home to Bradford? Which is on a par with the Chavski result to me.

Because we lost 8-0 that's why. He should have been sacked the morning after, perhaps then we'd have avoided some of the many humiliations he's inflicted on us since.
And 5-0 will never be as bad as 8-0 no matter how much you try and dress it up.

That is crazy.  Are you saying that if a great manager like Shankly or Clough had suffered such a defeat then they would have deserved the sack regardless of their records before the match or how long they had been in the job?  Freak results are just part of football even the best manager suffer them.  Sir Alex had two in a row in 96, 5-0 against Newcastle, and 6-3 against Southampton. 

[Ger Regan]

I guess the point is though at the time of the 8-0 it was his first shocker. We had no idea what some of the joys in store were. At the time he'd just taken us into the LC semi-final and we had lost 3 in 12, to the Manc clubs and Chavski. Why sack him him after 1 shocker? As an example, would you have sacked SGT1 after losing 5-0 at home to Bradford? Which is on a par with the Chavski result to me.

Because we lost 8-0 that's why. He should have been sacked the morning after, perhaps then we'd have avoided some of the many humiliations he's inflicted on us since.
And 5-0 will never be as bad as 8-0 no matter how much you try and dress it up.

Here we go as usual, apparently thinking losing 5-0 at home to Bradford is as shit as 8-0 at Chavski is me dressing it up. It really is pointless trying to have a sensible debate with you isn't it.

Losing a game by 5 goals isn't as bad as losing one by 8. That's the sensible way of looking at it.

It really isn't.

So 8-0 isn't quite as bad as 5-0?
What have you been drinking this evening?

No, I just have a sense of perspective that seems to elude you.

[Damo70]

To try and make it even simpler.

Which result would you class as the better one if they happened this season?
Chelsea 0 - 5 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 8 - 0 York City

Before I commit myself to an answer can I just confirm that we are presuming the York game is not the FA cup final?

[PeterWithesShin]

To try and make it even simpler.

Which result would you class as the better one if they happened this season?
Chelsea 0 - 5 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 8 - 0 York City

Before I commit myself to an answer can I just confirm that we are presuming the York game is not the FA cup final?

They are already out the FA Cup. I wasn't risking jinxing us when it's our year!

[saunders_heroes]

I guess the point is though at the time of the 8-0 it was his first shocker. We had no idea what some of the joys in store were. At the time he'd just taken us into the LC semi-final and we had lost 3 in 12, to the Manc clubs and Chavski. Why sack him him after 1 shocker? As an example, would you have sacked SGT1 after losing 5-0 at home to Bradford? Which is on a par with the Chavski result to me.

Because we lost 8-0 that's why. He should have been sacked the morning after, perhaps then we'd have avoided some of the many humiliations he's inflicted on us since.
And 5-0 will never be as bad as 8-0 no matter how much you try and dress it up.

Here we go as usual, apparently thinking losing 5-0 at home to Bradford is as shit as 8-0 at Chavski is me dressing it up. It really is pointless trying to have a sensible debate with you isn't it.

Losing a game by 5 goals isn't as bad as losing one by 8. That's the sensible way of looking at it.

It really isn't.

So 8-0 isn't quite as bad as 5-0?
What have you been drinking this evening?

No, I just have a sense of perspective that seems to elude you.

Perspective! Ha!
This from a bloke who's been sticking up for a manager who's continually humiliated the club for nearly 3 seasons. Never mind bleating about perspective, have a bit of pride in your club. Unless you've enjoyed Lambert's tenure so far?

[saunders_heroes]

I guess the point is though at the time of the 8-0 it was his first shocker. We had no idea what some of the joys in store were. At the time he'd just taken us into the LC semi-final and we had lost 3 in 12, to the Manc clubs and Chavski. Why sack him him after 1 shocker? As an example, would you have sacked SGT1 after losing 5-0 at home to Bradford? Which is on a par with the Chavski result to me.

Because we lost 8-0 that's why. He should have been sacked the morning after, perhaps then we'd have avoided some of the many humiliations he's inflicted on us since.
And 5-0 will never be as bad as 8-0 no matter how much you try and dress it up.

That is crazy.  Are you saying that if a great manager like Shankly or Clough had suffered such a defeat then they would have deserved the sack regardless of their records before the match or how long they had been in the job?  Freak results are just part of football even the best manager suffer them.  Sir Alex had two in a row in 96, 5-0 against Newcastle, and 6-3 against Southampton. 

I'm not talking about any of those incredible managers, I'm talking about Paul Lambert for Christ sake. You know, the bloke who has humiliated us for the past 3 seasons.

[Ger Regan]

Calm down, petal.

[saunders_heroes]

Calm down, petal.

Keep calm, darlin.

[Gregorys Boy]

I guess the point is though at the time of the 8-0 it was his first shocker. We had no idea what some of the joys in store were. At the time he'd just taken us into the LC semi-final and we had lost 3 in 12, to the Manc clubs and Chavski. Why sack him him after 1 shocker? As an example, would you have sacked SGT1 after losing 5-0 at home to Bradford? Which is on a par with the Chavski result to me.

Because we lost 8-0 that's why. He should have been sacked the morning after, perhaps then we'd have avoided some of the many humiliations he's inflicted on us since.
And 5-0 will never be as bad as 8-0 no matter how much you try and dress it up.

That is crazy.  Are you saying that if a great manager like Shankly or Clough had suffered such a defeat then they would have deserved the sack regardless of their records before the match or how long they had been in the job?  Freak results are just part of football even the best manager suffer them.  Sir Alex had two in a row in 96, 5-0 against Newcastle, and 6-3 against Southampton. 

I'm not talking about any of those incredible managers, I'm talking about Paul Lambert for Christ sake. You know, the bloke who has humiliates us for the past 3 seasons.

Yes, but the 8-0 in question came half way through his first season and on the back of a very good win at Liverpool.  At that point none of us believed that we be in such dire straits under him.   Also, you are justifying the idea that it is fair to sack a manager on the back of one freak result, but clearly it isn't.

[Ger Regan]

Yes, but the 8-0 in question came half way through his first season and on the back of a very good win at Liverpool.  At that point none of us believed that we be in such dire straits under him.   Also, you are justifying the idea that it is fair to sack a manager on the back of one freak result, but clearly it isn't.

Which is the precise point a few of us are making, but once again saunders gets into a hissy fit and is unable to debate reasonably.